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4 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2009 - 11:32AM
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If a group of regular players is trying to keep their characters at similar tiers, is it possible to complete mods at the greater difficulty setting, yet have some characters claim the lower XP reward? Or, more openly, is it legally possible for players to somehow opt to recieve less XP through actions such as denying quest rewards, etc? Are DMs legally allowed to choose to award less XP on player-by-player basis? If any of these options are legal, can you predict avenues of possible abuse? If any of these options are legal, would you be upset if you had found out a player at your table had done it?
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4 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2009 - 11:46AM
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Ths has been discussed before, the main issue is that, if they take lower tier XP, they must also take the lower tier GP and bundle choices. No taking 400 XP (low tier) and 175 gold (high tier), sorry, that busts the gold model.
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4 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2009 - 11:49AM
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Sorry to bring up discussion again, but thank you for the clarification. Does anyone remember the title/location of the previous thread?
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4 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2009 - 1:08PM
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In addition to the XP/GP issue, it was also pointed out (I believe by one of the global admins) that XP are, in essence, reflecting your experiences. You can't opt to "learn less" from your experience, as it were. Sorry, can't remember the name of the thread; I'm pretty sure that it was several months ago, at least. It was almost undoubtedly on this board.
"Of course [Richard] has a knife. He always has a knife. We all have knives. It's 1183, and we're barbarians!" - Eleanor of Aquitaine, "The Lion in Winter"
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4 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2009 - 3:03PM
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You can't opt to "learn less" from your experience, as it were.
Tell that to every politician in Washington!  In all seriousness... if they want lower rewards, have them play lo tier. If they want the greater challenge, throw the high tier monsters at them. There isn't anythign that says you can't do this.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2009 - 3:25PM
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You may legally tell your DM, we want to play in low tier, but feel free to up the challenge level. Yes, we understand with the lower xp, we will only receive the lower tier gp/treasure bundles options. The DM is empowered to raise or lower the level of the challenge as needed for the players to have fun, which could be using the monsters from the high tier of the adventure. As was stated, mixing the options (low xp, high gp) is a definite no-no. Also, it is not cricket to tell the DM you want to play in high tier of the adventure, but please lower the challenge level, just keep your xp and gp up there.  Keith
Keith Hoffman
LFR Writing Director for Waterdeep
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4 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2009 - 11:00PM
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I think the OP is asking something subtly different from what has been discussed before. I think he is asking if, within a single table, some characters can receive the low-tier rewards and others receive the high-tier rewards. The answer is still the same: no, you can't do that. But I think it bears noting that it is a novel question.
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4 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2009 - 11:37PM
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I think the OP is asking something subtly different from what has been discussed before. I think he is asking if, within a single table, some characters can receive the low-tier rewards and others receive the high-tier rewards.
The answer is still the same: no, you can't do that. But I think it bears noting that it is a novel question.
One answer would be that since it's not expressly allowed, it's forbidden, but I'm not sure the instructions found under "Appropriate Character Levels" is necessarily all-encompassing of the options the players have.
As an obvious example, I've run into at least one module (AKAN1-4) which asks at the end whether the PCs played the adventure at low-tier, high-tier or a mix of low- and high-tier, despite that last not being found as an option in the DM information sections.
Of all the various things to be bothered about, a player that plays a high-tier version of an adventure but takes across-the-board low-tier rewards isn't really on my list. The reverse is obviously a problem, as would someone trying to take a mix of low- and high-rewards, but it's tough to see the harm with someone taking all low rewards.
Or, to put it another way, the fact that a PC is facing high-tier challenges but receiving low-tier rewards isn't the problem, because the table as a whole can always ask for that. The only problem is that some of the other PCs at the table are facing high-tier challenges and receiving high-tier rewards as normal. As far as problems go, that's a pretty insignificant one.
-- Brian Gibbons.
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4 years ago ::
Sep 12, 2009 - 5:58AM
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What are the rules for handling someone who shows up late or leaves early, skipping one or more encounters entirely? Would their character get less xp, gp, reward(s) for missing stuff, or would everyone get the same access?
Keith Richmond
Living Forgotten Realms Epic Writing Director
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4 years ago ::
Sep 12, 2009 - 7:28AM
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They woudl get xp/gp/bundle access for the portion of the adventure they were there.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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