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4 years ago  ::  Sep 03, 2009 - 3:06AM #51
Cailte
Date Joined: Aug 18, 2007
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I would not judge LFR from the GenCon experience.


There is story in the modules, and the campaign - in fact one of the story elements has such a good module in it that I have a character undertaking it just because of the module (Zhentarim Infiltration for the established folks).


If you are familiar with the Realms making a character that has cause to dislike the Netherese and the goddess Shar will provide plenty of RP oppoprtunities as well.


The largest trick to playing LFR is you need to remember it is a HUGE even a COLOSSAL campaign, any given module may or may not reveal a part of the evolving story of the Campaign, and then there are the many minor plot threads scattered through each Region and so on... Playing 1 or 2 modules really isn't going to get you that sense of story that is available from the campaign.


Then there are the modules, I've had some great RP experiences, but they are about the people at the table as much as the modules themselves. Sure sometimes you run into situations that just go against the grain or that are frustrating, and when that happens you need to bend to the module because the DM is stuck between you and the RPGA, but mostly the mods are pretty straightforward. A little plot at the start which you can run with or not as you like..


For example there is a module that opens with a RP scene (and skill challenge) where the party needs to disperse a mob (in best Monty Python voices "We found a witch, can we burn her?")


The first time I played the module most of the party went "sure, whatever" but the Good PC talked the crowd around while the thief robbed her house, they managed to just escape with her and her key goods, collect us and get out of town. This encounter set my cleric in her "I don't talk, except with my fullblade" mentality incidently.


The second time I played it we were just busy body adventurers who through knowledge, diplomacy and a bit of bluster got the crowd to hand the girl over with her key posessions before they all legged it away.


The last time I played it my Tiefling sorcerer bluffed the crowd into believing we were magistrates from a nearby city and that we would handle the situation. (Why yes I do believe the DM was going wtf? do I do with that and the 30 he just rolled). In the end we walked away calmly with the girl and the townsfolk all satisfied.


I think I need to play this module again with a lecherous human male character come to think of it....


Overall the module is 3 combats and a skill challenge strung together with a tenuous plot - but if your table is willing to RP it there is just buckets of scope for that to happen. (The first party resolved a later encounter by the expedient of giving the bad guys a bunch of mundane gear...)


With the rewards, think about the gold as the money gathered by selling all that cheap stuff the monsters/enemies had plus whatever reward the relevant parties offered. I'm of the opinion that the DM did you a diservice by preventing you from using that stuff in the module. Why just the set rewards? Because the party is going on its own way afterwards and its easiest to sell the loot and split the gold... if you want that mundane item buy it with the gold, want the magic item take the pick, or save the gold until you can afford it later. This is definately a major part where you need to work t out for yourself so that your characters story makes sense.


That all said one of the cool things about LFR is playing a few mods with the same PCs, going off and doing different mods, then getting back together with them at higher levels and doing the "hey, long time no see" RP - ie the LFR story is what you make it.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 03, 2009 - 4:17AM #52
Keith53
Date Joined: Aug 21, 2007
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To be sure, while the RPGA mustering was much better at Gencon this year, it is a zoo compared to most other gaming events because it is so frickly large!  If that sort of chaos bothers you a lot, stay away at Gencon or come with a buddy.  In spite of the chaos, most of the experienced gamers (and all the guys/gals in the red/black DM shirts) try to be helpful for new gamers. 


You can have a much different play experience with LFR if you do it in a home play environment, with a DM and players who seek a more relaxed play style.


Sadly some gamers are critical and vocal of others PC design and tactics.  DMs need to remind players not to critique others unless they ask for that critique.  Playing with a table of new players tends to reduce that problem.


Keith


 

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 03, 2009 - 4:26AM #53
ibixat
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I felt the mustering at GenCon went well, though to be fair I only really got to see a tiny part of it running the adventure company mod 8 times.  I think the story in that mod and the chances it offered for roleplaying (if the DM and table went for it, I loves my cajun lizardmen) were well placed in a mod that was being considered "competitive"

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 03, 2009 - 5:02AM #54
Dragon9
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Of course, if you like playing leaders, you can usually have an easy time of finding a table.  Walk into muster and shout "Leader looking for low-tier!" and you're likely to get several groups of people clamoring for you. 

Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials.  So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy.  Can we just get back to real 4e?

Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki.

1. Wizards fight dirty.  They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9
2. A barbarian hits people with his axe.  A warlord hits people with his barbarian.
3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago  ::  Sep 03, 2009 - 10:20AM #55
Wavester
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Sep 3, 2009 -- 4:26AM, ibixat wrote:


I felt the mustering at GenCon went well




There are slots at Gencon where we get over 1,000 people all at once and we get them organized into tables of 6 with a judge and sat down in about 15-20 minutes. It's chaos but I think we do a pretty good job at it (and really it's Gencon - 'pretty good' is sometimes the best you can strive for LOL).

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 03, 2009 - 10:34AM #56
amysrevenge
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Sep 2, 2009 -- 7:26AM, carbon_dragon wrote:

And I think there is quite a large barrier to new players in LFR -- it's NOT in my opinion for the casual gamer.




I thinik a more precise way to put this might be:  LFR is NOT for the casual gamer who will only play it at GenCon or other big shows.  LFR is very appropriate for casual players who play in local clubs supported by dedicated hardcore players and organizers, or who play at smaller-scale conventions measuring attendance in the dozens rather than in the thousands.


The difficulty is that at GenCon (or another big show), you're adding the difficulty inherent to a big event at a big show (mustering, generic vs. specific tickets, slots that aren't long enough, unbalanced tables, etc.) to the difficulty of trying to get started in the RPGA (character creation, getting a member number, acclimating to the playstyle, etc.).  Either of these on their own can be daunting.  Both at once could very well be insurmountable for many people.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2009 - 12:53AM #57
gomeztoo
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Some slots, such as the Mini, were also overbooked at GenCon, resulting in a shortage of DMs since the number of real tickets were more than what was originally counted on. I had a generic, and so waited out to see what resulted, and HQ managed to pull together three more DMs for the excess tickerholders. Even I and another generic ticket player got seated. Unfortunately our table dissolved after the first slot so I didn't get to play the second part, but HQ seated me at another game.


So overall it went really well.


Gomez


 

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2009 - 4:02AM #58
old_dog
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You can always play online using the vtt Maptools. They have a good sized rpga community.

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