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4 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2009 - 4:38PM
#41
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Yeah, Divine characters definitely dominate around here.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2009 - 6:06PM
#42
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I tend to agree with the last few posts. While I think Ranger is the single most-common class I've seen in LFR, I have always seen a lot of Paladins around here (though not so many Clerics). And, with the release of PHB2, I've seen an awful lot of Avengers and Invokers. I honestly don't see many Arcane characters. Warlocks were popular when the campaign started, but not so much anymore, and I've never seen a lot of Wizards. (Sorcerers, OTOH, are becoming popular.) And, Fighters and Rogues are darned scarce. (And, in a home campaign, I've got a 19th-level Paladin, multiclassed with Cleric, whom I really love to play.  )
"Of course [Richard] has a knife. He always has a knife. We all have knives. It's 1183, and we're barbarians!" - Eleanor of Aquitaine, "The Lion in Winter"
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4 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2009 - 7:02PM
#43
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Date Joined:
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How does it damage *you* or any other non-divine players if those of us who have been playing divines for almost a year get to recast our characters into what we would have made if we had splat books?
By that reasoning let's not bother with limiting how often you can retrain.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2009 - 7:40PM
#44
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Date Joined:
Jul 22, 2009
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I tend to agree with the last few posts. While I think Ranger is the single most-common class I've seen in LFR, I have always seen a lot of Paladins around here (though not so many Clerics). And, with the release of PHB2, I've seen an awful lot of Avengers and Invokers.
I honestly don't see many Arcane characters. Warlocks were popular when the campaign started, but not so much anymore, and I've never seen a lot of Wizards. (Sorcerers, OTOH, are becoming popular.) And, Fighters and Rogues are darned scarce.
(And, in a home campaign, I've got a 19th-level Paladin, multiclassed with Cleric, whom I really love to play. )
Bard, Sorceror, Tempest Fighter, and Battle Rager Fighter seem to be the most popular here (other than RRoT, which I never joined). Of course, the errata is still filtering down. And with both Bard and Sorc being CHA-based, Paladins and Clerics get a hard shift to the back seat. Of course, Bard & Sorc have strong *P support divines are just barely getting....oh, wait, that was my point
And *ouch* if you have to cite a late paragon / early epic home game against late heroic. I mean, really, *ouch*.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2009 - 7:48PM
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And *ouch* if you have to cite a late paragon / early epic home game against late heroic. I mean, really, *ouch*.
Not sure what you mean by that. All I was pointing out is that I *am* playing a higher-level paladin, using only the PHB feats and powers, and I've enjoyed playing him quite a lot. (That said, to be fair, we didn't start the campaign at 1st level; we converted our old LG characters to 4E, and placed them in mid-Paragon.)
"Of course [Richard] has a knife. He always has a knife. We all have knives. It's 1183, and we're barbarians!" - Eleanor of Aquitaine, "The Lion in Winter"
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4 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2009 - 8:52PM
#46
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I attribute the high prevalence of divine characters in my area to the fact that in LG we were the Archclericy of Veluna. Go figure. 
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2009 - 11:15PM
#47
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Would it be possible to use the class feature retrain and just retrain into the same class feature gaining the feat and power retrains?
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4 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2009 - 11:54PM
#48
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2002
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There's been some discussion on that, but no official word. By the spirit of the rule, no. Some say even by letter of the rule you can't since it says you can retrain into a new class feature. The problem being that the same feature is not a new one.
There have been a chorus of people saying that while against the rule (in letter and/or spirit), they don't have a problem with it because you only get one feature retrain ever so you have locked yourself into that for the rest of the character's career even if a super awesome megalicious new feature shows up that you just gotta have (and are an honest player).
However, I wouldn't call that chorus a consensus.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 6:02AM
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Mar 28, 2009
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There's been some discussion on that, but no official word. By the spirit of the rule, no. Some say even by letter of the rule you can't since it says you can retrain into a new class feature. The problem being that the same feature is not a new one.
There have been a chorus of people saying that while against the rule (in letter and/or spirit), they don't have a problem with it because you only get one feature retrain ever so you have locked yourself into that for the rest of the character's career even if a super awesome megalicious new feature shows up that you just gotta have (and are an honest player).
However, I wouldn't call that chorus a consensus.
It's probably not a consensus either way.
Bottom line is probably: Do what feels honest to you.
There will be players out there who continually back-tweak their character to fix things that they didn't notice until now. Not legal, but they do it. And nobody will notice or care.
There will be players who won't even retrain, as they feel it violates the "spirit" of their character. And nobody will notice or care.
There is no auditing of characters. There is no paperwork other than your character's journal or adventure record. Be honest with yourself (whether it means doing a one-time feature to same feature retrain, or slowly retraining feats and powers until you get where you want to be), and enjoy the game.
"At Gencon 2010, WOTC will announce a new edition of Dungeons & Dragons." - crm(1/2010)
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 8:06AM
#50
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May 27, 2009
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There is no auditing of characters. There is no paperwork other than your character's journal or adventure record. Be honest with yourself (whether it means doing a one-time feature to same feature retrain, or slowly retraining feats and powers until you get where you want to be), and enjoy the game.
Enjoying the game being the largest premise. Do what you need to do to enjoy the game. I would rather have people bend the rules and get to play with 100 people a slot at a con than 10 people that same slot.
D&D for the first time in a very long time has a system that can compete with MMORPG's. Many of the people I meet that are returning players, including myself, see LFR as a next generation MMORPG. Anyway you view LFR, the outcome is still that a vast percentage of players have also played MMORPGs.
4th Ed. is great to play. The ruleset is swift, players have options of what to do every round that are core to their class. 4th Ed. was obviously influenced by modern MMORPGs, it is now time for those running RPGA campaigns to grow with the game they love and realize why mmorpgs offer things like wholesale retrains. Why almost every mmorpg gives out free and purchasable retrains. Those games don't want to lose players.
Mess up your build? Something get eratta'ed or nerfed? New powers come out that you want to use on day one since you already spent the time earning the levels? It's customer service. It's good business.
The people that feel slighted will generall do three things
1. quit
2. complain for months/years making the game look bad.
3. cheat
I'll pick the cheater to play with. It is like a logic problem. I can't play with the one who quit and I don't want to play with the one that complains for four hours about how their build is now messed up.
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