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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 3:03PM
#41
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And why there is a rule in the CCG stating you can buy a magic weapon.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 3:12PM
#42
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Apr 29, 2008
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Actually, while residium has worth, it isn't actually money. It's an item. If it's a mundane item you can't sell it any more than you can sell a bunch of swords. If it is a magical item, it should fall into the same sell-for-20% that all other magic items, with the specific exceptions of scrolls and ritual books, fall under.
This little signature is my official and insignificant protest to the (not so new now) community redesign.
The layout is lousy. The colour scheme burns the eyes. The wiki is a crippled monstrosity. So many posters have abandoned this site that some major forums are going days without posts. The 4e General Discussion board regularly has posts on the front page from two or even three days ago. This is pathetic.
Since I have to assume Wizards has a vested interest in an active community I wish someone in charge would fix this mess.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 5:06PM
#43
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Nov 14, 2003
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You can always use residuum as money for buying magical items, since you can get the Enchant Item ritual cheaply (or for free, if a wizard) and you use the residuum to power that.
Define "cheaply"...
The only one who gains a decent benefit are those PCs with the Ritual Caster feat and who have Enchant Magic Item as one of their rituals; they could then use the residuum as the component for creating a new item. Otherwise, you're SOL because you can't use the residuum as currency (it's a DM's call issue, and therefore not permitted), and another PC can't create items for you.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 5:08PM
#44
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Jan 21, 2003
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Well..the use of this abuse..if it goes through.
Buy Ritual Scroll, use Residuum as component...congrats you can now enchant an item with any enchantment you want..up to the cost of the origional magic item that got destroyed...
Hmm...I get the feeling Rust monsters are going to see some changes..or special errata for LFR...such situations arn't rightly covered in the rules..and leaving this up to the DM spells disaster, heh.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 5:47PM
#45
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Aug 19, 2007
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And that is what we call manipulating the intent of the rules to abuse them.
[sarcasm on]
"Yeah, if you're allowed to buy residuum, why, you might not buy non-residuum components for rituals. That's blatant abuse, man! How many rituals have you spent exactly the same amount you'd normally spend to do this? How many times have you went out and bought exactly the same amount of residuum as you would have spent in gold to just go out and buy a magic item in the first place? Tell us the truth!"
[sarcasm off]
I'd like to hear exactly how it is possible to abuse the buying of residuum that doesn't involve the use of a broken epic item...and at that point, you're saving 25 gold at best per 45000 gold worth of residuum...and I'm also speaking as someone who has seen a total of 1 ritual cast once in LFR in about 50 mods total. And that ritual was Tenser's Floating Disk.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 5:48PM
#46
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Date Joined:
Aug 19, 2007
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Buy Ritual Scroll, use Residuum as component...congrats you can now enchant an item with any enchantment you want..up to the cost of the origional magic item that got destroyed...
Which only works up to items of your level. So you just went out and spent more money than you had to to buy an item...
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 6:04PM
#47
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Jan 21, 2003
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Actually you just went out..got rid of an item you no longer need...paid 175 gold. Paid the paltry sub 100g for a base item. And then used the value of the item you no longer needed (or just couldn't use at all), which by the by could be up to 5000 gp worth of residuum (if you took a level 10 item of course)...and made yourself an item you could use...probably worth more than 1000 gp (what you would get if you just sold the item).
It does take higher levels to payoff..but it can work...if anything..if there is a way to save it and keep it on your charsheet..use that residuum to later on help 'purchase' a bigger magic item (as in..do the stuff above...but then add in more money to buy the components you don't have).
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 6:27PM
#48
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Aug 19, 2007
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Actually you just went out..got rid of an item you no longer need...paid 175 gold. Paid the paltry sub 100g for a base item. And then used the value of the item you no longer needed (or just couldn't use at all), which by the by could be up to 5000 gp worth of residuum (if you took a level 10 item of course)...and made yourself an item you could use...probably worth more than 1000 gp (what you would get if you just sold the item).
Let's say you're going to craft a +3 weapon, an 11th level item. That means you need to have 9000 gold worth of residuum. You were talking about going out and buying a scroll. Which costs 175 gold. Either way, you need to be at least 11th level to do this. And using a scroll still means you need to use the cost of the components...
So here are your options:
Go out and buy 9000 gold worth of residuum, probably around 25 gold for the weapon, and then a 175 gold piece scroll. Total cost 9200 gold.
Go out and spend 9000 gold for a +3 weapon. Total cost 9000 gold.
There is no way that you can save the residuum in a way that is any more effective than simply saving gold or astral diamonds(with the exception of a marginally broken 24th level epic item). It just weighs less and when I say it weighs less than astral diamonds, that's marginally so.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 7:46PM
#49
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May 19, 2004
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So here are your options:
Go out and buy 9000 gold worth of alchemical reagants, probably around 25 gold for the weapon, and then a 175 gold piece scroll. Total cost 9200 gold.
Corrected to be LFR legal. I'm certain this is what MwaO meant to say.
-SYB
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 9:18PM
#50
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Date Joined:
Aug 19, 2007
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Corrected to be LFR legal. I'm certain this is what MwaO meant to say.
-SYB
No, I meant Residuum. PHB = LFR legal. You may want to check that you're playing with the 4e copy of PHB - Residuum isn't mentioned in PHB 3.5...
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