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4 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2009 - 7:19AM #111
_metz_
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I tend to construct my own Character sheets and Power sheets as well, typed font is easier than otherwise, however, I usually input things on the sheet by hand afterwards. I usually use size 8-10 font (I can read small writing easily) and so in theory could fit a LOT of powers on two sheets.

I just spent a good hour doing up power sheets for a couple of my characters.

I still like to print off a nice sheet and fill it in personally however - it forces me to make sure I am doing it right.

I find that for the majority, Electronically generated sheets are fine. I have just met the minority for whom it has resulted in a lack of rules understanding, innate laziness with numbers for their powers, and know SEVERAL people that were fine in LG, who now take extra long/extra space as a result of powercards...

I am always far too pessimistic however. And whilst in the hands of a competent gamer, these tools add a lot of value - in the hands of a struggling or average gamer, I have seen them diminish said player's capability over time.

The space of the power cards is a really big pet peeve of mine, I have said it a thousand times, but there are some players that are just really bugging a few of us atm, with those darn things... (Will go unnamed) - It's really a player issue, I can't help it if the cards appear to be the enabler though...
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2009 - 7:35AM #112
Darkwolf_Bloodsbane
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_metz_ wrote:

I will rephrase:

Arbitrary wastage of power based on expensive non-renewable resources is an issue if a whole Con wants laptops ot be running a whole weekend...


This I can agree with. And yes, the why matters.

Although, I was, for the most part, referring to the smaller, non-convention-sized, games I play in. LFR, in particular, is held at a local Games store. (Where, coincedentally, I buy most of my swag now...)

Having not been to a Gaming Con since 2003~4, I can't really speak to it there.

Ahh, so THIS is where I can add a sig.

Remember: Killing an ancient God inside of a pyramid IS a Special Occasion, and thus, ladies should be dipping into their Special Occasions underwear drawer.
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2009 - 12:15PM #113
ibixat
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My power cards take up the space of 2 decks of cards, I used to lay them out all over but they got too big, so now I just keep them stacked and flip through them when it's not my turn deciding what to do next, when used they go face down in front of me and used dailies tend to get stuffed into the back of the character sheet page holder.

Though to be fair we are waaaaaaaay off topic on this post at this point.
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 20, 2009 - 11:05AM #114
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_metz_ wrote:

The space of the power cards is a really big pet peeve of mine, I have said it a thousand times, but there are some players that are just really bugging a few of us atm, with those darn things... (Will go unnamed) - It's really a player issue, I can't help it if the cards appear to be the enabler though...


Personally I use my own cards, for which I found a PowerPoint template last summer, and which do not do any calculating - the cards include the text of the power and boxes for me to fill in the numbers with a pencil.

Regarding automated character builders - I like to use the DDI builder to plan ahead for my characters, selecting feats, powers, paragon paths, and other things. I hand-calculate my numbers though, because I think that if you don't then you can't know where improvements can be made.

Specific to the above quote, I put my power cards in binder pages (meant for collectible cards, nine per page) and mark them off with a wet-erase pen when I use them. I get the best of both worlds - I can rearrange the placement of the cards to suit my preference, but only take up one open binder worth of space on the table.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 3:13PM #115
Dragon9
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ibixat wrote:

Though to be fair we are waaaaaaaay off topic on this post at this point.



Ibixat brings up a great point. Let's try to get it back on topic. I'll make a suggestion to Wolfstar about maybe spawning a new thread re: power cards with the discussion that has already happened with that.

See... this is what happens when I don't check a particular thread in a while.

Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials.  So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy.  Can we just get back to real 4e?

Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki.

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2. A barbarian hits people with his axe.  A warlord hits people with his barbarian.
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 4:58PM #116
AxeMurder0
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According to CS the compendium change does not overrule the magazine despite being more recent.

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1152774
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 6:39PM #117
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Yes, but like the FAQ, CS answers are not binding nor is CS considered an official rules source for the campaign. So unless it's in a book, in the Errata updates, or in the Compendium, it doesn't count and we are required to use the most up to date rules source.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials.  So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy.  Can we just get back to real 4e?

Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki.

1. Wizards fight dirty.  They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9
2. A barbarian hits people with his axe.  A warlord hits people with his barbarian.
3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 9:44PM #118
_metz_
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Dragon9 wrote:

Yes, but like the FAQ, CS answers are not binding nor is CS considered an official rules source for the campaign. So unless it's in a book, in the Errata updates, or in the Compendium, it doesn't count and we are required to use the most up to date rules source.


Exactly. The RPGA needs to post an official answer.

Which would be awesome, it would show they actually administer the campaign they are supposedly running...

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 22, 2009 - 12:51AM #119
JohnLynch
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Dragon9 wrote:

Yes, but like the FAQ, CS answers are not binding nor is CS considered an official rules source for the campaign. So unless it's in a book, in the Errata updates, or in the Compendium, it doesn't count and we are required to use the most up to date rules source.


What the heck are we (well, those who actually do it. As I don't have a DDi subscription I have no way of knowing what it says unless someone prints it out and shows it to me :P) doing treating a rules source as binding when even CS admits it shouldn't be used in such a way?

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 22, 2009 - 5:03AM #120
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As I posted in the other thread, I'm turning what resources I have toward hunting down Chris Tulach and trying to get an official comment from him on the issue.

One of the community managers will be hunting him down on Monday, and I've got an e-mail into him as well about this issue.

As always, I can't promise anything, but CM is usually pretty good about at least getting a quote from Chris - even if Chris doesn't have the time to come in here and post himself.

So, sit tight, everyone, and we'll hopefully get clarification come Monday afternoon (Wizards Time).
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