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Well, I actually never quoted any lore on Kelemvor and dhampyrs, or Kelemvor and undead, for that matter. I merely pointed out why those who fight undead would look badly on dhampyrs.
I am not sure on how fanatic the church is, mind. I am not very into Kelemvor. So I won't claim that all or even most of the priests would instantly reach for the weapons. But I do think you can expect that in general they look with disfavor on anything related to undead, including dhampyrs, and that a fanatic priest won't easily be swayed just by the dhampyr behaving nicely.
Then again, yes, I do think there are Doomguides that won't have such prejudice. I assume they are the minority, since serving a faith as a priest does require a measure of devotion that will not that easily give sway to reason.
It is up to DM or player to decide which kind of Doomguide there is, which should be prompted by what would be the most fun.
Personally, I like to have NPCs recognise that I AM playing something different - I expect people to react differently to Valencia (a human), Tesh (a half-drow), and Samantha (a thiefling) - partly on how they behave, and partly for what they are.

as a note: I am considering taking Dhampur for Samantha, not as a 'vampiric' trait, but as a 'succubus' trait. I am unsure yet, since the feat power (grab someone, then bite) is fairly worthless to a bard who works ranged.

StarBog wrote:

This has been explained to you time and time again, and not just by me. See the earlier posts on the subject by gomez, metz and others.

Hrm ... let's see ... Gomez says:

Well, I actually never quoted any lore on Kelemvor and dhampyrs

and _metz_ follows with:

What he said

And as for you, you've only stated canon on the church of Kelemvor's stance on the undead, which is not in question. You have never once provided a shred of proof that canon shows the church specifically hates Dhampyr. All you can provide is flawed logic that they must and your only proof is your own opinion based upon your choice to play a fanatic.

If you choose to ignore those explanations, your problem.

I didn't ignore them, they just don't apply.

And to top it all, Dhampyr is NOT a Faerunian concept at all.

So the Realms can steal wholeheartedly from every lore that has existed on the face of the earth, except for one you don't happen to like? Seriously, Kara-tur, Maztica, Mulhorand, the Hordelands, Al-Qadim? We have conquistadors, ninja, genies, egyptian gods, bedouin, and Atilla the Hun wandering around the realms and you balk at Balkan folklore? The Realms has always been a smorgasbord of everything, so having a specific problem usually points to issues in some other area ... such as ...

It is something that has been hacked on in order to appease the special snowflake players who want to play Angel or Forsaken.

I see. You believe "your" Realms is being overrun with players who have watched TV or played MMOs. Oh my god, they want to be a special snowflake! (How many times have you used that phrase?) Everyone wants to have something different about their characters. Some might choose to play their priest of Kelemvor as an especially fanatic jihadist. I think that is just someone trying to get their time in the spotlight and is no different from someone wanting to be an angsty paladin of Kelemvor with a dark past.

The fact that you constantly reference other sources as something lesser and things that should not be drawn upon for inspiration is ridiculous. Is every character you make a completely original idea that has never once been touched on by another source? If so, you are the one player amongst millions with such a unique gift. Roleplaying has been rife with "borrowed" ideas since its inception. DnD was nothing more than someone's tactical warfare game with Tolkein trappings. If you have a special hatred for a particular source, that's your problem and you shouldn't bring your baggage to the gaming table where it will create issues.

As for DMing and suchlike, I'm lucky to live in the UK, where LFR players actually care for the lore.

Wow, I didn't realize that you spoke for every player in the UK and that they all have the exact same viewpoint as you. Lucky for me, I live across the pond. We have this thing where we embrace the new and aren't trapped in the past. (My apologies to others in the UK, I'm just trying to make a statement as outlandish as his. Frankly, I think for the last eight years we've been trapped in the past, but that's politics and I don't want to get into that.)

Every few years, Dungeons and Dragons releases a new edition. I've been there for all of them. My older brother bought the original boxed set at a comic shop across the street from the high school. One of my first jobs was in a game distribution warehouse, where I picked up the 2nd Edition FR Campaign book. I've enjoyed the changes that have come with each edition, even when I didn't like some of it. (Funnily enough, despite playing my main LFR character as a paladin of Kelemvor, who is not a dhampyr by the way, I've never liked the deity. I have no problem with his role or how he's portrayed as a god, I just didn't like the character in the Avatar trilogy.) When 3rd edition came out, I found myself wondering, "Do we need another edition?" Yet, once I played it, I has as much fun as always.

The thing is, the Realms have to change, or else they will stagnate and become boring. Each incarnation has changes and there have always been naysayers. But each incarnation has also brought in new ideas, new classes, new races and the like. The Dhampyr is no exception. The "warforged", call them what you will in the Realms, are now a core race thanks to Dragon and they are no exception. Swordmages are no exception. Once there was Spellfire and now there is the Spell Plauge and the plaguetouched. This is no exception. The new will be added with this edition, you need to be ready to adapt.

Instead of rejecting a concept and walking away from a table, causing bad feelings and screwing up everyone's attempt at fun .. why don't you just try rolling with it. Guess what .. Dhampyr may have never been a part of FR lore in the past. They are now. Deal with it ... or maybe LFR just isn't where you should be.

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