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4 years ago ::
Feb 18, 2009 - 4:17AM
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So essentially, we stop playing a roleplaying game and interacting with NPCs, and instead revert to miniature battles. I really fail to see what this has to do with the discussion at hand. Roleplaying is about the players taking an a role and trying to act upon it. DMs are going to do the same with NPCs. Ultimately it are the players and the DM who define that role. So if the DM decides that prejudice is not part of the game, then it would be good roleplaying *not* to have NPC act suspiciously towards monstrous characters. Downplaying or entirely removing prejudice does NOT make it a miniature battle game. Or do you really think that you cannot roleplay in Eberron since in that setting racial prejudices are more or less insignificant (especially compared to national differences)?
Sticking to the fluff in a setting has nothing to do with roleplaying. Doing so is good to provide common ground and it helps the players immerse themselves in the setting and their role. So yeah, it is best that in general players (especially the DM) stick to it, but ultimately the fluff is something we make up. For some players D&D IS a miniature battle game. They do not care about setting, let alone about how some silly tavern wench is supposed to behave because a book says so. Others want much more detail, or really like to shock NPCs and talk their way out of things and want more instead of less prejudice.
The 4E paragrim is one of diversity and this shows itself in (L)FR. It is a change from previous editions, but it is there none the less. There should be suspicion in some places and I agree with you and Tancread that if a DM is aware of it, he should act upon it. I also think that a DM should buy the books and do some background reading.
Bgibbons, there are some good reasons why we do not copy-and-past info from what every DM and player can read in the FR books. Saying the adventures are just generic fantasy adventures is not going to make a big impression on most people. FR IS a generic fantasy setting. It is one of the reasons it was published first. The adventure are in general still fairly region specific. Sure, adventures like CORE1-1, CORE1-3 and DRAG1-1 could be easily set in any other fantasy setting, but that does not mean it can easily be places in another region with FR. Further more, heroic level adventures are by definition generic. It is only at paragon level that the adventures are going to have region wide impact and become more and more ingrained in the setting as a result.
Pieter Sleijpen LFR Global Administrator
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4 years ago ::
Feb 18, 2009 - 5:33AM
#62
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I really fail to see what this has to do with the discussion at hand. It is valid because some arguments against playing out NPC reactions were because it 'detracts' from the game. My point is that interaction is what the game is about.
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4 years ago ::
Feb 18, 2009 - 5:54AM
#63
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I, surprisingly, have not had any negative reactions to my Minotaur PC. Kind of bummed about that... but then again maybe the big symbol of Ilmater branded on his chest makes people feel at ease... :P
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago ::
Feb 18, 2009 - 6:03AM
#64
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I am now resolved to make a sophisticated gnoll with an 18 Cha, who wears a chamber robe, a pipe, and a monocle, and who talks in an english accent. He'll have a PHD in literature as well... If that doesn't draw hostilities, I don't know what will :D
Gomez
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4 years ago ::
Feb 18, 2009 - 6:15AM
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I am now resolved to make a sophisticated gnoll with an 18 Cha, who wears a chamber robe, a pipe, and a monocle, and who talks in an english accent. He'll have a PHD in literature as well... If that doesn't draw hostilities, I don't know what will :D
Gomez I have an Orc like that...
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4 years ago ::
Feb 18, 2009 - 6:35AM
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I have an Orc like that... We must be sorority buddies! Ah, those times! Drinking tea, strolls in the park, discussing Nietzche, looking down on the common people...
Oh dear. I think I just started an AC.
Gomez
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4 years ago ::
Feb 18, 2009 - 7:03AM
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We must be sorority buddies! Ah, those times! Drinking tea, strolls in the park, discussing Nietzche, looking down on the common people... I've already made one like that, but it's for gnomes only atm
But I'm happy to join another one...
We need rules! here are a few suggestions.
1. If you want to smoke in the common room, you need a Jacket. (A gentleman always has a suitable smoking jacket) 2. If one is incapable of elucidating themselves in an apposite manner, than they should not be permitted. (must be trained in Diplomacy?) 3. No Barbarians 4. A gentleman is always well dressed. Members need to comport themselves as representatives of the gentry in everything they must do. (Must wear Noble's outfits or something)
etc...
(The Orc) Jan Dunn
In response to my old College mate: (college in the British meaning, similar to Fraternity)
Nietzsche is too easily cynically manipulated by those darn Banites into their insidious plans of control. Damnable chap with his theories of the 'better man'...
"Sips his brandy"
I personally am a cynic - in the classic Hellenistic sense...
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4 years ago ::
Feb 18, 2009 - 8:23AM
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I am now resolved to make a sophisticated gnoll with an 18 Cha, who wears a chamber robe, a pipe, and a monocle, and who talks in an english accent. He'll have a PHD in literature as well... If that doesn't draw hostilities, I don't know what will :D
Gomez A properly dressed gnoll should be attired as per the picture in d20 Modern.
Spoiler:
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That would be the gnoll pimp.
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4 years ago ::
Feb 18, 2009 - 8:42AM
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I am actually picturing Proteles Cristatus (Cris to his friends) a bit like an arcanaloth. Same arrogance as well...
Gomez
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4 years ago ::
Sep 03, 2009 - 2:00PM
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In the Moonshae Islands the Eladrin wiped out the humans who lived on one of the largest islands there. There are a number of elf settlements listed that will attack anyone who enter their realms. Many human kingdoms attack and enslave their neighbors. That island is actually brought up in MOON1-2. It is run as a great roleplay espionage encounter. It is made very clear to both the DM and the players that these are not nice elves.
Yes... that Island is called "Gwynneth". The background for that appears in the FRCG and in a wussified, blander-tasting form in the Sarifal Kingdom article... JP
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