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4 years ago ::
Jan 23, 2009 - 8:47AM
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Say, you know since Promise of Storm got nerfed, can I change my stormsoul genasi's manifestation? What about my race entirely? Now that I'm a new race/manifestation, my stats aren't ideal so I want to change them too. In fact, I don't like my class now that I don't have Promise of Storm for my thunder/lightning powers, so I should be able to change that too. Of course, I'm going to need all new gear since I'm a new class ...
Srlsy, I'm not happy unless I can completely change my character with every Update that even slightly affects him.
Or, I'm not going to cry and whine about a game.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 23, 2009 - 9:07AM
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- Senior Volunteer Community Lead
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I would like to make one correction to what Wolfstar76 posted; WotC is deciding whether or not to issue any LFR campaign rule regarding items which were changed by errata.
WotC employees draft, review, edit and approve all LFR campaign rules. The LFR Campaign Admins may suggest, request, recommend, or comment on, but that is far as it goes. Yes, this is a radical change from LG or LC days.
Keith
Hmm. I'd assumed that Chris just made the call after conferring with whomever he thought should have input (though, of course, it's easily argued that Chris, drawing a paycheck from WotC "is" WotC).
Thanks for the clarification. 
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4 years ago ::
Jan 23, 2009 - 9:12AM
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Say, you know since Promise of Storm got nerfed, can I change my stormsoul genasi's manifestation? What about my race entirely? Now that I'm a new race/manifestation, my stats aren't ideal so I want to change them too. In fact, I don't like my class now that I don't have Promise of Storm for my thunder/lightning powers, so I should be able to change that too. Of course, I'm going to need all new gear since I'm a new class ...
Srlsy, I'm not happy unless I can completely change my character with every Update that even slightly affects him.
Or, I'm not going to cry and whine about a game.
Ummm I think you misread that little bit of errata. It only effects certain things with promise of the storm not your at-will lightning lure etc. There is a thread on it over in the rules section.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 23, 2009 - 9:26AM
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Really, all this comes down to is a 520gp item or a slot. Neither of those is a really big loss. Everyone is making it out to be a huge thing, because nobody really has perspective yet. One slot seems like a lot, because nobody has gotten more than 8 yet. 520gp seems like a lot, because nobody has gotten paragon gold rewards yet.
But, over 30 levels, one slot is trivial, and 520gp is insignificant. Most players will start spending their slots on gimmick items well before the end of paragon tier and 520gp will be the cost of a meaningful healing potion in paragon tier (which means it will be common to sacrifice that much for the potion option).
I find it ironic that the same people who talked about only spending 9 slots on main items (weapon, armor, neck) over their 30 levels, thus saving 21 slots, are complaining about the loss of a single slot.
No character has become useless or gimped. No character is now so hopelessly behind the gold curve that they can't possibly recover. Reactionary power gaming complaining doesn't change the truth of the matter.
-SYB
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4 years ago ::
Jan 23, 2009 - 9:55AM
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SYB It is in fact huge. The character that had veterans armor for me (my wizard) was built entirely from the ground up on multi sphear, he increadably ineffective without it dispite high optimization. His damage is subpar and has little control simply because FS was how he was built for control, to roll around and encourage movement with high consistent damage. (He was a teifling fire wizard based around damage and sustainables.) As of now he retired due to his massive nerf and he has no intention of comming back. I have a tempest fighter that went through spell guard and thats about the only reason I can play higher level adventures now. I know several people who had the armor who feel the same way, thier character either dissaperated, or retired due to being built around a stance or a rage that they thought was perfectly legal at the character creation. No character has become useless or gimped. No character is now so hopelessly behind the gold curve that they can't possibly recover. Reactionary power gaming complaining doesn't change the truth of the matter.
100% of all mods will give better items than a veterans armor now, veterans armor (not +2 because all items that are + over your set of 5 are good) give better rewards. Thats how it is, veterans armor unless above the curve (IE above a tier in enchancement) is weak.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:04AM
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Not going to get much sympathy from people for basing your build on one specific item. Its obvious that you took the Powergaming option instead of the Roleplaying option in your character creation.
My swordmage would be less effective in some regards if he lost his lightning weapon. But I would not retire him because he lost it. The item does not make the character, the characters background drives him.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:04AM
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SYB It is in fact huge. The character that had veterans armor for me (my wizard) was built entirely from the ground up on multi sphear, he increadably ineffective without it dispite high optimization. His damage is subpar and has little control simply because FS was how he was built for control, to roll around and encourage movement with high consistent damage. (He was a teifling fire wizard based around damage and sustainables.)
As of now he retired due to his massive nerf and he has no intention of comming back. I have a tempest fighter that went through spell guard and thats about the only reason I can play higher level adventures now.
I know several people who had the armor who feel the same way, thier character either dissaperated, or retired due to being built around a stance or a rage that they thought was perfectly legal at the character creation.
100% of all mods will give better items than a veterans armor now, veterans armor (not +2 because all items that are + over your set of 5 are good) give better rewards. Thats how it is, veterans armor unless above the curve (IE above a tier in enchancement) is weak.
If your character was that much of a one-trick pony then I have no sympathy whatsoever that he's been gimped.
But come on, aren't you over-reacting just a bit? As long as your wizard has at least an 18 Int he'll be as good as any other wizard. You may want to retrain a power or two. But there are craploads of wizard fire powers that will work very well with tieflings. And you'll still get flaming sphere in one out of three encounters per mod.
Stop sulking.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:41AM
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If your character was that much of a one-trick pony then I have no sympathy whatsoever that he's been gimped.
But come on, aren't you over-reacting just a bit? As long as your wizard has at least an 18 Int he'll be as good as any other wizard. You may want to retrain a power or two. But there are craploads of wizard fire powers that will work very well with tieflings. And you'll still get flaming sphere in one out of three encounters per mod.
Stop sulking.
Quoted for truth. I'd like to say nothing more than "I agree with lemon's opinion whole-heartedly."
Dave Kay
LFR Writing Director Retiree
dkay807 [at] yahoo [dot] com
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4 years ago ::
Jan 23, 2009 - 11:10AM
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If your character was that much of a one-trick pony then I have no sympathy whatsoever that he's been gimped.
Precisely. I particularly don't have sympathy for anyone who owned several sets of it, but never wore it. I've gone out of the way to warn people before that you can't base your entire character off of one trick, but they don't tend to listen.
I have a lock who purchased and wears (yes wears all the time) +1 veteran's scale. This ruling just means I'll use a found item slot to upgrade to +2 armor at some point (actually that'll probably be a good excuse to upgade to plate), I'll still use the veterans until then, its still magic armor and it still has a decent property on it.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 23, 2009 - 11:27AM
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[VCL]Let's try and keep this on topic to the original discussion about options for items that are affected by rules updates, and not on our feelings of people's choice of builds. [/VCL]There hasn't been any news yet on what, if anything, the RPGA will be doing about items/powers/etc changed by rules updates. If/when I hear anything different, I'll post.
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