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4 years ago ::
Feb 03, 2009 - 8:30AM
#141
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Date Joined:
Mar 19, 2001
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In a recent adventure, I took the Veterans Armor as a reward anticipating a get any level 7 item free in exchange ruling. You'll likely be stuck with the armor, the suggested exhange is for the pre-nerfed versions.
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4 years ago ::
Feb 03, 2009 - 8:48AM
#142
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You'll likely be stuck with the armor, the suggested exhange is for the pre-nerfed versions. Its a good armor anyway, I don't consider being stuck with it. But if it can be exchanged-thats too good to say no.
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4 years ago ::
Feb 03, 2009 - 9:16AM
#143
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Mar 19, 2001
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Its a good armor anyway, I don't consider being stuck with it. But if it can be exchanged-thats too good to say no. I won't argue that its not still decent armor, I do like the bonus. From a standpoint of only buying one suit of armor and wearing it though, I was on the fence to get veteran's or dwarven armor, and I ended up buying veteran's armor because of the versatility it provided. Not to mention I used it to refresh Armor of Agathys which not only is a nice auto damage power, but it provides almost as many hit points as dwarven armor's daily ability does. Without that versatility I would have rather purchased dwarven, and, regardless of whether they do actually allow a swap or not of veterans, I do plan on purchasing some dwarven armor or finding it if possible as soon as I can. As to the veteran's it'll get sold or swapped (if allowed), rather than getting upgraded as I had planned.
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4 years ago ::
Feb 03, 2009 - 3:01PM
#144
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2002
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Heck, Dwarven armor is a level 2 item, so +2 Dwarven should be a level 7 item.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago ::
Feb 03, 2009 - 5:19PM
#145
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Date Joined:
Jan 15, 2007
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Heck, Dwarven armor is a level 2 item, so +2 Dwarven should be a level 7 item. Dwarven is my favourite armour, especially if you don't have a cloak of resistance. Limited to 'metal' armour users though.
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4 years ago ::
Feb 03, 2009 - 7:46PM
#146
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Date Joined:
Aug 22, 2007
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Ever notice that with certain posters, the vast majority of their posts are complaints? I really wonder why people like that continue to play the game. If the campaign lacked any value, it wouldn't be worth trying to fix, and the earlier a mistake is fixed, the fewer negative consequences it is likely to have.
You will also find that those complaining about rules are usually the more LN of folks. When faced with poorly-drafted or ill-conceived rules, the vast majority of players are simply going to say, "Eh, ignore the actual text of the rules and just go with what makes sense to you." That causes the more lawful-inclined to tear the hair from their heads.
It's a basic difference in philosophy.
Consider, for example, a magic item that you might think the plain reading of the text makes the item too powerful (pre-errata veteran's armor or mnemonic staff).
If your philosophy were "I'm going to follow the rules, even if I don't like them", complaining that the rules are bad and should be changed makes sense, since unless you can bring the problem to the attention of those making decisions, you're going to have to live with the results of someone doing a poor job of deciding how an item works or deciding whether an item should be part of the campaign.
If your philosophy were "Eh. **** the rules. It doesn't work that way at my table, and if a player doesn't like it, he can leave.", then you're going to find it puzzling why anyone would waste time talking about something that's really not a problem.
Frustration also results because, being familiar with the work of some campaign staff, it's irritating to see them being hamstrung by WOTC staffers who simultaneously seem to want to keep the campaign on a pretty short leash, while at the same time, seemingly can't be bothered to get a simple straightforward set of rules right.
The fact that a campaign that's about six months old is on version 1.8 of its campaign guidelines (and still can't get some significant things right) is just frustrating, if you're the type of person that wants to play by the rules, wants to have your gaming group play by the rules and wants to present the campaign to others as being professional and competent.
-- Brian Gibbons.
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4 years ago ::
Feb 04, 2009 - 5:12PM
#147
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Date Joined:
Mar 29, 2001
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Frustration also results because, being familiar with the work of some campaign staff, it's irritating to see them being hamstrung by WOTC staffers who simultaneously seem to want to keep the campaign on a pretty short leash, while at the same time, seemingly can't be bothered to get a simple straightforward set of rules right.
The fact that a campaign that's about six months old is on version 1.8 of its campaign guidelines (and still can't get some significant things right) is just frustrating, if you're the type of person that wants to play by the rules, wants to have your gaming group play by the rules and wants to present the campaign to others as being professional and competent.
-- Brian Gibbons. Quoted for emphasis.
I'm normally a pretty mellow easygoing guy. It takes a lot to irritate me, even moreso to get me to publicly complain about it.
But the quality of work coming out of WotC, at least on the administrative/logistical/technical side, is really severely underwhelming.
Tools that are buggy and inconsistent, a significant lack of direct communication from anyone who has any real power in WotC/RPGA, well... if I behaved and produced work like this regularly at my place of work, I'd have been fired ages ago.
The Online Compendium is a nice idea, don't get me wrong. It should be an allowed optional resource.
But it has real problems as a 'required' rules source. a) It's updated chaotically and without documentation, b) it's buggy as all get out, with significant missing bits and incorrect entries, c) it's not available offline, which makes it useless at many conventions where it'd do the most good, and d) you have to pay money to access it at all.
I dunno about you, but I didn't see the advertising for LFR that said you have to pay a monthly subscription fee to keep up with the rules.
The rules set for a Living Campaign NEEDS to be stable, and have updates occur on a regular scheduled basis. That means the published books and their errata.
I really don't like having to wonder from week to week what's legal or not, to get surprise rules changes sprung on me without warning. This is not the way to run this sort of organization. It's just unprofessional.
-karma
LFR Characters: Lady Tiana Elinden Kobori Silverwane - Drow Control Wizard Kro'tak Warscream - Orc Bard Fulcrum of Gond - Warforged Laser Cleric
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4 years ago ::
Feb 04, 2009 - 8:47PM
#148
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2002
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But the quality of work coming out of WotC, at least on the administrative/logistical/technical side, is really severely underwhelming.
Tools that are buggy and inconsistent, a significant lack of direct communication from anyone who has any real power in WotC/RPGA, well... if I behaved and produced work like this regularly at my place of work, I'd have been fired ages ago. I think the same thing abut our government. :D
(I'm just being funny, leave it at that...)
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago ::
Feb 04, 2009 - 10:16PM
#149
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Date Joined:
May 11, 2005
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(I'm just being funny, leave it at that...) Ah... so much potential for thread derailment there.... :P
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