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5 years ago ::
Sep 12, 2008 - 6:57PM
#101
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If you think LFR staff is ignoring what the WotC R&D folks think, you might read the following quote from Rich Baker which I copied, Sept 9th, on the FR boards, ask the designers thread: Taking a step back for a moment: Clerics do have to worship greater gods or gods. Exarchs aren't really divinities in and of themselves; they're more like "patron saints." So you wouldn't see a cleric of Clangeddin Silverbeard, you'd see a cleric of Moradin who likes to shout Clangeddin's name or ask himself "WWCD?" in tough spots. Our list of channel divinity feats is a pretty good indication of which deities have clerics, per se. Primordials, demons, or what-have-you don't have clerics; they have priests, cultists, servants, etc., who are generally NPCs with powers that derive from the creature they worship in a different way than clerics gain their powers. If you have a question, you might go over to that list and ask Rich directly. Then you will have a senior designer's viewpoint, someone who has been very much involved in the Forgotten Realms.
Keith
Keith Hoffman LFR Writing Director for Waterdeep
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5 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2008 - 9:11AM
#102
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Oct 26, 2004
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Just thought I'd let you all know that I played in my first RPGA event with my game breakin' Drow wizard that still worships Lloth. Guess what? Everyone had a good time, the event went off without a hitch and perhaps 1 person realized that I even still prayed to her. Now, feel free to warn me/centure me/ban me from the RPGA for this gross breach of the rules that isn't in any official rule source and I will be happy to find something else to do on my Monday nights. Edit: Oh, and I did just read the message that Rich Baker. Why didn't you include the first paragraph? Regarding Kossuth, etc.: I think that "in-world" most Faerunians don't distinguish much between someone who worships a god and someone who worships a demon or primordial. The typical Faerunian is likely to look on the latter as someone who's evil, primitive, or just nuts... but he can't easily observe the difference between a "cleric" in game terms and a person who serves as in a priestly office without the powers of a cleric. He'd see that flameservant of Kossuth wielding magical powers derived from fire, without really understanding that Kossuth isn't a divine creature. Scholars and real clerics would know better, of course. To me, this sounds like my character could be seen as just being plain nuts, and as he gains absolutely no divine powers from his following of Lloth, it doesn't even touch upon the second paragraph that was quoted. The response, to me, says that you can 'worship' whoever you want if you're willing to deal with people thinking bad things about you but if you want to have any divine powers, you need to follow one of the good gods.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:47AM
#103
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Aug 15, 2008
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Speaking of this, whats the penalty for killing a Lolth worshiping pc drow? Inquiring Eladrins and elves want to know.  *snicker*
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5 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2008 - 1:07PM
#104
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Oct 26, 2004
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Speaking of this, whats the penalty for killing a Lolth worshiping pc drow? Inquiring Eladrins and elves want to know. 
*snicker* Well from what I can find in the general rules of the RPGA, the penalty guidelines and the Living Forgotten Realms material there is nothing prohibiting it. But there are quite a few entries about "Unsporting conduct" and play disruption. However, if I was killed by another player and they told me that it was because I was worshipping a god(ess) that wants the obliteration of their race, I'd have no one to blame but myself and would go ahead and make a new character (assuming no one wanted to help me rez of course )
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5 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2008 - 1:35PM
#105
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Jul 16, 2002
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Just thought I'd let you all know that I played in my first RPGA event with my game breakin' Drow wizard that still worships Lloth. Guess what? Everyone had a good time, the event went off without a hitch and perhaps 1 person realized that I even still prayed to her.
Now, feel free to warn me/centure me/ban me from the RPGA for this gross breach of the rules that isn't in any official rule source and I will be happy to find something else to do on my Monday nights. Lol. No one has said it's game breaking, only that's it's against the campaign's rules. (whether you consider the official source official or not doesn't change it's officiality... if that's even a word...)
All this post is is an arrogant flaunting of the rules of the campaign. The rules everyone else follows because they don't engage in the mental gymnastics necessary to decide that something announced by the head man in charge of the RPGA campaign development isn't "official" because it isn't in your approved list of sources. 
Don't be a butthead. (Said with love, because you said I could call you that. )
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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5 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2008 - 3:28PM
#106
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Oct 26, 2004
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Don't be a butthead. (Said with love, because you said I could call you that. ) Sorry, I just gotta be me. 
I have been told time and again to follow what is in the rules and I am doing just that. You call it 'arrogant flaunting', I call it... well following the rules. Don't worry though, I'm sure soon there will be an official ruleset for the LFG campaign including not being able to off other PC's and not being allowed to worship evil dieties. Then, all this will be moot and I'll be stuffed back into my "Open In Case of Need of a Butthead" can.
I did pose the question to Baker though. He hasn't responded about it but it is more of a running campaign question and not really a campaign material question.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2008 - 5:25PM
#107
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Mar 29, 2001
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Is there a reason to be deliberately antagonistic about it?
Other than sheer stubborn immaturity?
I've heard that "It's just the way I am" argument before, and it holds absolutely no water with me.
It is your choice to flip the bird at the campaign staff, even when they've told you the way things are. You aren't being compelled by some unseen mysterious force to skirt the rules or engage in petty sophistry.
-karma
LFR Characters: Lady Tiana Elinden Kobori Silverwane - Drow Control Wizard Kro'tak Warscream - Orc Bard Fulcrum of Gond - Warforged Laser Cleric
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5 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:53PM
#108
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Date Joined:
Oct 26, 2004
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Just show me where worshipping an evil deity is not allowed in an official rule source - one that players are instructed to look towards - and I'll shut up. I feel that it is irresponsible to have rules that exist that a player cannot find out about until after he has sat down at the table and presented the character to the GM, only to be told that he can't use what's there. Yes, a post was made about them. But how is a player going to know to go through the message board to look for rules changes?
Other than that, I don't see myself being antagonistic about it. Well maybe the post about my event was a bit and if you took offense to that, I apologize. I thought it was humorous and Dragon chuckled.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 4:59AM
#109
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Jul 16, 2002
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Well, Markus, people have pointed you to it in the past. You just chose to ignore it.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 5:34AM
#110
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Date Joined:
May 29, 2004
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Speaking of this, whats the penalty for killing a Lolth worshiping pc drow? Inquiring Eladrins and elves want to know. 
*snicker* Clearly this comment is in error. As we've established, PCs cannot worship evil deities, so if you encounter a Lolth worshipper during your travels, it must be an NPC and it fair game to kill. :P
John du Bois Living Forgotten Realms Writing Director, Netheril story area
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