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5 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2008 - 4:12AM #41
Keith53
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Markusdark wrote:

Cool. Once the doc is in the official place, I'll be sure to follow it. As of now, my senior DM has decided to 'reserve judgement' until there's an official ruling on it in the rules. Which translated to I could do it as long as it didn't interfere or hamper the other player's fun or their character's goals and that I would stop if the rules told me I couldn't.

Worshipping an evil diety does not make you evil. If that was the case, then they would not have put into the rulebook that unaligned characters can worship evil dieties - they would have said that only evil and CE characters could worship them. Lloth is about the drow race and promoting them and their agenda above all others. I could quote a few LG gods that were the same way (especially having been in the Pale Meta-org all these years).

And, please, feel free to call me butthead. I'm a taurus so I tend to become stubborn about things.


I fail to understand your reasoning that an LFR document must be in some official place to be official. The "Characters in the Realms" document was written by Chris Tulach and, at his direction due to some issue with posting on the RPGA website, distributed as a public document by the LFR Campaign Staff. That does not make it less legal, even if slightly harder to find. It is posted on most of the public LFR yahoo lists.

No LFR PC may choose an evil deity for their patron. If you have DMs who are allowing you to ignore the rule, then shame on them.

At some point, I think Chris will fold the unique information from that document (and the FRPG Preview) into an update of the CCG, perhaps after the FRPG has become available.

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2008 - 4:20AM #42
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Keith53 wrote:

At some point, I think Chris will fold the unique information from that document (and the FRPG Preview) into an update of the CCG, perhaps after the FRPG has become available.

Keith


Really? I'd expect the preview to evaporate once the book it's previewing is released.

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2008 - 4:31AM #43
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The rules unique to LFR will need to be inserted, but the information preview portions will not be needed, I think.

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2008 - 8:59AM #44
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Keith53 wrote:

I fail to understand your reasoning that an LFR document must be in some official place to be official.


Because there is a strict, set of rules in the CCG that state specifically what are legal sources and what aren't. For example, anything 30 days after being previewed in Dragon magazine. If I am going to be held to the rules of the game, then they need to be IN the rules of the game. I am not always privvy to all the little changes that are made (as evident by my first question in this thread about where was the rule written) so I don't see why I should be expected to delve these forums before heading to a game.

My DM should not be shamed. He said that he would change his decision if he found out otherwise. My guess is that he would look at the ruleset and the official sources and not spend his time digging through other pieces of information since - wow - he would expect such a rule to be in the ruleset.

Warlocks "...commune with infernal intelligences..." or the entire "Dark Pact" that is coming out with the FGPG, but I can't believe that Lloth has the right idea of wanting to promote the drow but is going about it the wrong way? Why? Other than Tulach's ruling what possible campaign breaking issue is there with me keeping this faith?

It will be eventually put into an update of the CCG and this argument will be moot.

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2008 - 9:05AM #45
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Markusdark wrote:

Because there is a strict, set of rules in the CCG that state specifically what are legal sources and what aren't. For example, anything 30 days after being previewed in Dragon magazine. If I am going to be held to the rules of the game, then they need to be IN the rules of the game. I am not always privvy to all the little changes that are made (as evident by my first question in this thread about where was the rule written) so I don't see why I should be expected to delve these forums before heading to a game.

My DM should not be shamed. He said that he would change his decision if he found out otherwise. My guess is that he would look at the ruleset and the official sources and not spend his time digging through other pieces of information since - wow - he would expect such a rule to be in the ruleset.

Warlocks "...commune with infernal intelligences..." or the entire "Dark Pact" that is coming out with the FGPG, but I can't believe that Lloth has the right idea of wanting to promote the drow but is going about it the wrong way? Why? Other than Tulach's ruling what possible campaign breaking issue is there with me keeping this faith?

It will be eventually put into an update of the CCG and this argument will be moot.


Whether or not your DM should be shamed is up for debate. *You*, on the other hand, have no excuse. You have been informed by a campaign admin as to what the rule is and you have been directed as to where to find it as well as why it's not with the other documentation at this point in time, and you are still making the choice to ignore it. I fail to see how worshipping an evil deity is so important to you as a player that you think it justifies ignoring campaign rules that, despite your lack of knowledge at the start of the thread (where you were completely justified), you both know to exist and know the location of (which means you are no longer justified).

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2008 - 9:17AM #46
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JohnduBois wrote:

Whether or not your DM should be shamed is up for debate. *You*, on the other hand, have no excuse. You have been informed by a campaign admin as to what the rule is and you have been directed as to where to find it as well as why it's not with the other documentation at this point in time, and you are still making the choice to ignore it. I fail to see how worshipping an evil deity is so important to you as a player that you think it justifies ignoring campaign rules that, despite your lack of knowledge at the start of the thread (where you were completely justified), you both know to exist and know the location of (which means you are no longer justified).


Actually, I AM FOLLOWING THE RULES. I am looking at page 2 in the CCG and I am trying REAL HARD to find the area where it says a document written by an admin that is posted on WotC is a valid source. If you want me to follow the rules, then make sure that there is a rule for me to follow. A rules clarification I can understand but this isn't a clarification, this is a change in the rules as listed in the PHB.

Why it is so important to me is my concern. I had mentioned that the reason is that it would give me some interesting RP options in the game. Nowhere in the announcement does it mention why worshiping an evil diety if your character is unaligned is a bad thing for the campaign - as long as you're not deriving any powers from said diety.

I am now done replying to this thread as any further discussion is becoming a circular argument.

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2008 - 9:46AM #47
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I figured I'd post here. I won't worship an evil diety. By the way, is Talos still evil? Anyway, I won't worship an evil diety, but you better believe that, if most of my character's are in certain situations, they'll pray to them. For example, if I'm on a boat, and we're being attacked by krakens, I'll be praying to Umberlee. If I'm epic level, and we all have to go rescue somebody from Banes home plane, if he captures me and confronts me, you better believe I'll worship him... at least for a little while.

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2008 - 10:39AM #48
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Talos has a dual answers. Technically Talos is still evil because Grumsh is evil. Though Talos doesn't really exist anymore. Grumsh got tired of "pretending" to be Talos (based on the new FR) so he got rid of that aspect.

Its silly, but sadly the "true" FR now.
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2008 - 10:41AM #49
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Actually, that brought something to my mind. No wonder Talos sucked so bad with high lightning bolts. How would you like someone with only one eye throwing lightning bolts? No depth perception sucks for that. Explains why he couldn't hit the broadside of Faerun half the time. hehe
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2008 - 3:45PM #50
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Markusdark wrote:

Actually, I AM FOLLOWING THE RULES. I am looking at page 2 in the CCG and I am trying REAL HARD to find the area where it says a document written by an admin that is posted on WotC is a valid source.


Okay, now you are being a butthead.

By this logic the FRPG preview for LFR is not an official document and can't be used either. You have been told by an admin that the head of the campaign who also happens to be the content manager of the RPGA has said that the document in quest is indeed official. (Chris Tulach wrote it too, FYI)

Chris Tulach isn't just an admin, he's one of the directors of the RPGA. Ignore him at your own peril. :evillaugh

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