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5 years ago ::
Aug 25, 2008 - 4:17PM
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Because you're a drow who has decided not to turn his back on Lloth but has decided to follow her dictates in another fashion? Oh, and I won't be the lil' rules cheeser and note that it says "Clerics" and not "characters" that need to steer clear of evil dieties. I hate those guys  Really, what would be the issue with a non-aligned person worshipping an evil diety as long as he kept it to himself? But I will ask our Senior DM at my RPGA meetings if I can do it or not. But yes, I will be a butthead and until said rules are in the campaign rulebook, and if my DM says it's good, I will have my drow ranger worship Lloth.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 25, 2008 - 5:46PM
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Because you're a drow who has decided not to turn his back on Lloth but has decided to follow her dictates in another fashion?
Oh, and I won't be the lil' rules cheeser and note that it says "Clerics" and not "characters" that need to steer clear of evil dieties. I hate those guys
Really, what would be the issue with a non-aligned person worshipping an evil diety as long as he kept it to himself? But I will ask our Senior DM at my RPGA meetings if I can do it or not.
But yes, I will be a butthead and until said rules are in the campaign rulebook, and if my DM says it's good, I will have my drow ranger worship Lloth.
There is a document called "Characters in the Realms" floating around (the admins posted them prior to GenCon since it didn't make it on the website for some reason) that discusses deity worship in the Realms and expressly forbids PC worship of evil deities. Most of the LFR Yahoo groups have them in the Files sections.
Is it widely and easily available? Sadly, not yet. However, I've heard from multiple regional admins and at least one global admin that yes, it is correct for LFR.
Even with that not being the case, I recommend not rocking the boat in that manner. There's just no benefit to being "that guy".
John du Bois
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5 years ago ::
Aug 25, 2008 - 9:51PM
#33
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Because you're a drow who has decided not to turn his back on Lloth but has decided to follow her dictates in another fashion?
because then you're still evil. Maybe unaligned from a mechanics standpoint, but evil at the core. There's nothing lightness and fluffy bunnies about Lolth and her demands. There isn't anything that can be construed as non-evil about her and her dictates.
Oh, and I won't be the lil' rules cheeser and note that it says "Clerics" and not "characters" that need to steer clear of evil dieties. I hate those guys
Don't forget Paladins...
But yes, I will be a butthead and until said rules are in the campaign rulebook, and if my DM says it's good, I will have my drow ranger worship Lloth.
As long as I can officially call you Butthead. (Can I be Beavis? He was cooler anyway... :P) Anyway as John pointed out they're in the Characters in the Realms document. I forgot about that little document.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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5 years ago ::
Aug 25, 2008 - 10:28PM
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Not to be a butthead, but where in the rules does it say that? I couldn't find it in the character creation guide.
Here:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1073623
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5 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 10:07AM
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Cool. Once the doc is in the official place, I'll be sure to follow it. As of now, my senior DM has decided to 'reserve judgement' until there's an official ruling on it in the rules. Which translated to I could do it as long as it didn't interfere or hamper the other player's fun or their character's goals and that I would stop if the rules told me I couldn't. Worshipping an evil diety does not make you evil. If that was the case, then they would not have put into the rulebook that unaligned characters can worship evil dieties - they would have said that only evil and CE characters could worship them. Lloth is about the drow race and promoting them and their agenda above all others. I could quote a few LG gods that were the same way (especially having been in the Pale Meta-org all these years). And, please, feel free to call me butthead. I'm a taurus so I tend to become stubborn about things. 
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5 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 12:01PM
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And, please, feel free to call me butthead. I'm a taurus so I tend to become stubborn about things.
Well, I won't call you a butthead, but I will point out that by playing a drow ranger, you've already elected to place a big bullseye on the front and back of your armor -- worshipping Lolth just means in glows brightly day or night, and cannot be hidden by any means...  :evillaugh
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5 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 12:04PM
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Fine by me. Guess I'll haveta *gasp* roleplay with it. Oh, and I've changed my mind, gonna be a drow wizard instead. Don't want people callin' me a 'D' wannabe
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5 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 2:11PM
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Lloth is about the drow race and promoting them and their agenda above all others.
Yeah, which is... hmm.... what do they call it? Oh yeah, GENOCIDE!!! 
If you're unaligned and promoting Genocide...
And, please, feel free to call me butthead. I'm a taurus so I tend to become stubborn about things.
Yeah, so is my wife. I have knock-down drag out arguments with her too. :P
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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5 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 2:53PM
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Okey, I guess that Lloth is a little roughter than Pholtus. She wants to kill everyone, Pholtus just wants to force them to worship him and if they don't, brainwash them so that they do. But, then again, I believe most people would want to wipe out the drow so fair is fair.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 7:23PM
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Oh by Tempus.
Do you males still believe you can do better than us women?
I mean - not that you can't be useful, and Lolth priestesses can kiss my well shaped behind, so all the best in cutting them down.
But how often do I have to wack you over the head before you realize that us women are just so much more smart, tough, and fit to rule?
Ilharessen zhannil alurl.
Now sign up here, and I will show you how to hold a blade properly.
Tesh Huruafair,
House Guard
I do believe that the good lady means to say "How often do I have to whack you over the head before you realize that we women are smarter, tougher, and just so much more fit to rule?". Then again, it may just be my inferior male brain that makes comprehension of the statement difficult.
~Irrad~ Professional Cynic
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