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Aug 29, 2008 - 10:22AM
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Wow! This totally looks like a resource we can access in LFR without any ruling against it by the circle. Which I doubt they'll do seeing as nothing else has been limited yet and it's not that big of a deal.
I actually like a few of them....time to make more new characters. *sigh*
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5 years ago ::
Aug 29, 2008 - 10:29AM
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RPGA Character Creation Guide, page 7. "Choose one of the following regions for your character; it’s the place where they hail from, might define their personality or looks, and gives them a small game benefit. The regions allowed for Living Forgotten Realms are: Aglarond, Akanûl, Baldur’s Gate, Cormyr, Dalelands, Dragon Coast, East Rift, Impiltur, Luruar, Moonshae Isles, Tymanther, and Waterdeep."
"All other character backgrounds are unavailable for Living Forgotten Realms play."
These Dragon backgrounds are not allowed.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 29, 2008 - 10:38AM
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Dragon Magazine: Content appearing in Dragon Magazine that is player resource-friendly (full racial write-ups, classes, paragon paths, epic destinies, powers, and feats) is available for access when the complete issue is available for download (typically at the end of the current month). Content from individual articles is not available for access upon the date of the article’s publication, as the complete issue may make final modifications to the rules in the article.
This is the wording from the RPGA CCG
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5 years ago ::
Aug 29, 2008 - 10:48AM
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Specific beats general though. The specific LFR RPGA rule dissallowing other backgrounds takes precedence. Oh, and BTW, the guy you replied after quoted the same document.
It's the same principle that allows LFR players to take items form Dragon (specific rule regarding Access Slots) where normally you can't.
You can't have it both ways just because you want it to apply to one thing and not another. Either specific beats general always or never.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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5 years ago ::
Aug 29, 2008 - 10:49AM
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Dragon Magazine: Content appearing in Dragon Magazine that is player resource-friendly (full racial write-ups, classes, paragon paths, epic destinies, powers, and feats) is available for access when the complete issue is available for download (typically at the end of the current month). Content from individual articles is not available for access upon the date of the article’s publication, as the complete issue may make final modifications to the rules in the article.
These are neither races, classes, paragon paths, epic destinies, powers nor feats. And the guy just before you already quoted the text saying no other character background (but the regional backgrounds) are allowed in LFR.
Case closed.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 29, 2008 - 10:51AM
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RPGA Character Creation Guide, page 7.
These Dragon backgrounds are not allowed.
Sweet. Nice catch.
Dave Kay
LFR Writing Director Retiree
dkay807 [at] yahoo [dot] com
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5 years ago ::
Aug 29, 2008 - 10:52AM
#17
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RPGA Character Creation Guide, page 7.
These Dragon backgrounds are not allowed.
Nice find. I hadn't even noticed that in the CCG.
Of course, that still leaves them as open options for future RPGA campaigns. 
Wolf Star76 Community Advocate (SVCL) for D&D Organized Play, Avalon Hill, and the DCI/WPN LFR Community Manager DDi Guide  Created by MyFitnessPal - Free Calorie Counter
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5 years ago ::
Aug 29, 2008 - 11:41AM
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RPGA Character Creation Guide, page 7.
These Dragon backgrounds are not allowed.
Just some points:
That doesn't say the Dragon backgrounds aren't allowed, it is saying the Forgotten Realms character backgrounds aren't allowed unless they're one of the twelve(what you're saying makes sense without seeing the Forgotten Realms book, but 3.0 had lots of regional backgrounds, presumably it does as well). You can read into it that the Dragon backgrounds aren't allowed, but that's the kind of literal reading which says you can't use a magical bracer with a non-magical shield(yes, there are people who think that) - this will be semantic, but I'm reasonably sure that the Forgotten Realm backgrounds will be explicitly labeled character backgrounds.
Material is either Player or DM-resource. That's clearly Player resource. It isn't for monsters. Dragon magazine clearly also says All except rituals and magic items. Not Races, Feats, Powers, etc...they're specific with Adventurer's Vault, they should be similar with Dragon Magazine if that's true.
If the text is what eliminates backgrounds from Dragon, the rules should be more explicit that the player resource options listed are the only options that can be allowed - something which the use of the word 'All but' goes against.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 29, 2008 - 11:53AM
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If the text is what eliminates backgrounds from Dragon, the rules should be more explicit that the player resource options listed are the only options that can be allowed - something which the use of the word 'All but' goes against.
The text under the "Special Access Rules" header on page 7 of the CCG seems pretty clear.
Other character backgrounds are not allowed unless otherwise made available through RPGA Rewards cards.
How could it be more explicit?
Allen.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 29, 2008 - 12:02PM
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- Senior Volunteer Community Lead
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Just some points:
That doesn't say the Dragon backgrounds aren't allowed, it is saying the Forgotten Realms character backgrounds aren't allowed unless they're one of the twelve(what you're saying makes sense without seeing the Forgotten Realms book, but 3.0 had lots of regional backgrounds, presumably it does as well). You can read into it that the Dragon backgrounds aren't allowed, but that's the kind of literal reading which says you can't use a magical bracer with a non-magical shield(yes, there are people who think that) - this will be semantic, but I'm reasonably sure that the Forgotten Realm backgrounds will be explicitly labeled character backgrounds.
Material is either Player or DM-resource. That's clearly Player resource. It isn't for monsters. Dragon magazine clearly also says All except rituals and magic items. Not Races, Feats, Powers, etc...they're specific with Adventurer's Vault, they should be similar with Dragon Magazine if that's true.
If the text is what eliminates backgrounds from Dragon, the rules should be more explicit that the player resource options listed are the only options that can be allowed - something which the use of the word 'All but' goes against.
The CCG grants that all Dragon content except magic items and rituals is legal for RPGA campaigns. You're right about that. I could even cite the fact that the FRPG listing says all but backgrounds and spellscars further illustrates this point.
Backgrounds in Dragon are RPGA legal.
HOWEVER the LFR appendix makes it very clear that for Living Forgotten Realms *specifically* only the 12 regional backgrounds are permitted, and all others are explicitly denied. It doesn't state that all others from the FRPG are disallowed. It simply states all.
So, in general, backgrounds not from the FRPG are allowed in RPGA campaigns.
Specifically LFR only allows the 12 listed.
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And of course future versions of the CCG may well prohibit backgrounds from other sources as well, but as per 1.6 this is what we've got.
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