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Jun 17, 2008 - 8:46PM
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And just to bring things back 'round full circle, Chris Tulach posted the following in the RPGA HQ forum:
This will be clarified in version 1.1. Simply put, if it's in Dragon, and it's a player resource, it's allowed. There will be few modifications to this.
We won't need to issue a monthly document, since I anticipate very few items in Dragon that are obviously for player use (classes, races, paragon paths, feats, powers, etc.) being restricted in any RPGA program. Magic items and rituals fall into a different category because we have an access system being set up for those. Of course, the great unknown is what the LFR Appendix might (or might not) have to say on the matter of Warforged. My personal reading of tea leaves would say that Warforged will be allowed (for better or worse, I don't intend to play one regardless), as it looks like Warforged are moving from Eberron-specific and more into core.
Remember, Action Points were Eberron-specific as well, and now (while modified) they're core. ~shrug~ (Yes, not a perfect example since APs are mechanical, and dont' break fluff, but try to follow the spirit of what I'm saying).
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5 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2008 - 10:20PM
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Blood-Forged Golems as playable in LFR? Eh, I can live with that.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 18, 2008 - 10:40PM
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Well, thematicaly, are Warforged so out of the possible for FR? No. Gond's church is another possible source, by example. Also, we forget the old spelljamming and planescaping ways, gomeztoo... CANON and TSR age things.  (And thematicaly BTW, they fit Spelljammer and Planescape even better...) Personaly, it's even weird if you ask me that nobody though of making something similar in FR *first even*.... Considering that out beloved world is disgustingly high in magic, that is really surprising.  Now.... More seriously... Should they be allowed as canon? I say restricted or no (more leaning there), with a good and suitable background requested if allowed.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2008 - 12:30PM
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Well, if we were making predictions, I would predict no warforged (or shifters) in FR as a no-brainer. But then I would have predicted no dragonborn also, so that shows you how good my prognosticatory skills are.
Big Mike Calgary AB
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5 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2008 - 9:13PM
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As version 1.0 of the Character Creation Guidelines are not yet LFR legal then any speculation on whether some race from a non-core source will be available in LFR is pretty pointless at the moment. So, let's wait until we have the LFR legal version shall we? Of course if you want another currently pointless discussion then you could theoretically argue that as dates outside of the USA (and in fact some people inside US use the format as well) are written dd/mm/yyyy then you will never gain access to items with the date 9/16/2008 outside of the US as you'll never reach the 16th month
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5 years ago ::
Jun 20, 2008 - 4:03AM
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As version 1.0 of the Character Creation Guidelines are not yet LFR legal then any speculation on whether some race from a non-core source will be available in LFR is pretty pointless at the moment. The Character Creation Guide is currently legal, but is expected to be updated in July. It says "For new races, feats, powers, and other options, you need to have a RPGA Rewards card that grants you access and have it in your card stack (see below) or the option needs to be specifically mentioned in the appropriate appendix for the program." So, lacking warforged reward card, warforged is not currently an allowed race in LFR, even if it is presented as a player resourse in Dragon Magazine. The LFR appendix, when added, can add races that don't require reward cards (probably genasi will be added, but we will have to wait and see). It is highly unlikely that an update will disallow the current 4e reward card races, which currently are LFR legal for card owners.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 20, 2008 - 4:09AM
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The Character Creation Guide is currently legal, but is expected to be updated in July. It says "For new races, feats, powers, and other options, you need to have a RPGA Rewards card that grants you access and have it in your card stack (see below) or the option needs to be specifically mentioned in the appropriate appendix for the program." So, lacking warforged reward card, warforged is not currently an allowed race in LFR, even if it is presented as a player resourse in Dragon Magazine. The LFR appendix, when added, can add races that don't require reward cards (probably genasi will be added, but we will have to wait and see). It is highly unlikely that an update will disallow the current 4e reward card races, which currently are LFR legal for card owners. No.
That sentence is part of the same paragraph as the one explaining what are allowed player resources. It's explaining that cards may grant access to resources not listed above (like Dragon magazine).
This is confirmed by Chris Tulach.
This will be clarified in version 1.1. Simply put, if it's in Dragon, and it's a player resource, it's allowed. There will be few modifications to this.
We won't need to issue a monthly document, since I anticipate very few items in Dragon that are obviously for player use (classes, races, paragon paths, feats, powers, etc.) being restricted in any RPGA program. Magic items and rituals fall into a different category because we have an access system being set up for those. He posted that in reply to my explaining to others the two interpratations of the paragraph in question (click the little blue arrow in his quote to see the rest of the thread).
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5 years ago ::
Jun 20, 2008 - 9:51AM
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No.
That sentence is part of the same paragraph as the one explaining what are allowed player resources. It's explaining that cards may grant access to resources not listed above (like Dragon magazine).
This is confirmed by Chris Tulach.
He posted that in reply to my explaining to others the two interpratations of the paragraph in question (click the little blue arrow in his quote to see the rest of the thread). No, that does not contradict or modify what I quoted. Chris confirmed that it would be allowed in the campaign, but the CCG implies, as quoted, that allowed races require reward cards to be used in a campaign, unless an update to the CCG says otherwise, as may happen when the LFR appendix is released. Without mention in an update, a reward card is sufficient to use new player material, but it is also necessary.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 20, 2008 - 12:01PM
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No, that does not contradict or modify what I quoted. Chris confirmed that it would be allowed in the campaign, but the CCG implies, as quoted, that allowed races require reward cards to be used in a campaign, unless an update to the CCG says otherwise, as may happen when the LFR appendix is released. Without mention in an update, a reward card is sufficient to use new player material, but it is also necessary. Dragon Magazine (when a completed issue is released) IS a player resource. Period. Just like the Player's Handbook, with the exception of magic items and rituals. There is no further unlock.
New player material is unlocked via cards. This is demonstrated by the fact that the Monster Manual is NOT a player resource. Shadar-Kai, Orcs, and Gnomes have cards that unlock these as new options.
Requiring a card would RESTRICT who can use races/classes from Dragon. Chris SPECIFICALLY states that he doesn't forsee restricting player items from Dragon - including races - in RPGA programs.
I honestly don't know how "simply put it's allowed" can be seen to equate to "if you have the a restriction-lifting card".
The LFR appendix may bar entry later, but the current rules as written, and clarified by Chris would allow Warforged - regardless of our individual feelings as to the appropriateness of Warforged in Forgotten Realms.
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