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5 years ago ::
Jun 05, 2008 - 3:03PM
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I wonder what the max level on this is gonna be, too. For the first time, D&D has Epic Levels built right into the PHB. So will they be available in LFR, or not? Damn, I want to see this campaign information, already. 
From the way they are publishing the modules i.e 1st round for levels 1-3 and then 2nd round levls 4-7. You will probably hit the epic levels the end of 2010 just as a guess. Unless they go back and start making lower levels mods again next year etc. But it seems like they want you to just level away. If you dont split up play opportunities between 2 characters you will be 7th or 8th level by the end of this year if not higher (not sure if there will be a 3rd round of modules this year or not). This is all just speculation from what I have seen so far. Hope I am wrong but we will see here in a month or so.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 06, 2008 - 3:27AM
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I'm pretty sure that it won't be possible to play all the 1-4 modules with one character. From what I've seen so far, I'd expect anyone who actually manages to play everything that comes out this year to have an 8th level character and at least another level 6. ..but I just made that up of course At present I'm expecting it to be 22pb and go all the way to level 30 (though I won't be surprised if it gets cut down from 30 before anyone gets there)
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5 years ago ::
Jun 06, 2008 - 11:02AM
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Mar 24, 2005
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True, even in LG where the PHB went to 20th level, the limit for the game was 16th. I would hope though that it is allowed to go through to 30th level. I could see though epic adventures not being as abundant as the heroic and paragon levels, but I think they should exist and not be apart of a "high level" campaign.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2008 - 4:30PM
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If you read 4.0 method 2 stats 22 points default 8 10 10 10 10 10 basicly 28 points same as LG
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5 years ago ::
Jun 08, 2008 - 4:10AM
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nm - Ophiskia is far more comprehensive (and accurate)
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5 years ago ::
Jun 08, 2008 - 6:14AM
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If you read 4.0 method 2 stats 22 points default 8 10 10 10 10 10 basicly 28 points same as LG
No it's not, for LG the baseline for stats was 8 so 4e's 10-10-10-10-10-8 baseline would cost 10 points to start off with. If the cost of buying an attribute didn't differ between 3.x and 4e from 14 up, 4e Method 2 would still be the equivalent of a 32 point buy in 3.5. As it is, the difference in costs from 14 up mean that you'd need 30 points in 3.x to buy 4e's default array of 16-14-13-12-11-10.
Buying a stat from 10 to:
14 costs 5 in 4e and 4 in 3.x
15 costs 7 in 4e and 6 in 3.x
16 costs 9 in 4e and 8 in 3.x
17 costs 12 in 4e and 11 in 3.x
18 costs 16 in 4e and 14 in 3.x
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5 years ago ::
Jun 08, 2008 - 6:41AM
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Aug 22, 2007
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I would not be terribly surprised if LFR opted for the Array instead actually (much as I'd dislike that).
I would be surprised, and would also very much dislike it - not only would it make characters rather cookie-cutter, some of the odd stats would also make 1st level characters less powerful (and 1st level is still when PCs need all the edges they can get, although not nearly as much as was the case in 3.x).
Some example arrays you can get with 4e's 22 point buy system, and the points it would've cost to buy those arrays under 3.x rules:
18-14-11-10-10-8 29 points
17-16-11-10-10-8 30 points
16-16-13-11-10-8 30 points
15-15-15-11-10-8 29 points
14-14-14-14-12-8 28 points
14-14-14-13-12-10 29 points
14-14-13-13-12-12 30 points
14-13-13-13-13-13 31 points
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5 years ago ::
Jun 09, 2008 - 7:37AM
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True, even in LG where the PHB went to 20th level, the limit for the game was 16th. I would hope though that it is allowed to go through to 30th level. I could see though epic adventures not being as abundant as the heroic and paragon levels, but I think they should exist and not be apart of a "high level" campaign.
Well, truth be told the limit was 20. Then it was cut to 18 with a planed step down to 16th the following year. I know a few guys who played like mad to get to 18 before the cut off. They usually failed because of a lack of mods supporting 16 and 18 that year combined with the difficulty of getting tables to go off at that rarified level. The cut off was put in place because of the difficulties placed on the Living campaign by adjudicating 8th and 9th level spells in specific and the abilities gained between levels 17 - 20 in general.
We might see a handful of dedicated players hit 30th as it becomes possible. Then play at those levels will probably give the Admins the data they need to decide if LFR goes all the way to 30 or not.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 09, 2008 - 12:49PM
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The RPGA Character Creation Guide is now available from http://www.wizards.com/rpga/downloads/r … n_v1-0.zipThe LFR appendix isn't there yet (appears to be scheduled for 18 July) but the general rules are to use either the standard array or the 22 point buy from the PH.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2008 - 2:41PM
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The standard array is also a 22 point buy.
8--->10 (2)
10--->11 (1)
10--->12 (2)
10--->13 (3)
10--->14 (5)
10--->16 (9)
2+1+2+3+5+9=22 points
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