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5 years ago ::
Apr 15, 2008 - 3:28PM
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Not cool. I'm stuck in a holding pattern until the RPGA stuff goes up, since I (and a lot of other people) plan around RPGA stuff for optimized scheduling.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 15, 2008 - 3:40PM
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Folks, relax. This is not a disaster; Gencon LLC will not run out of tickets for the RPGA gaming on the first day. In fact, if there are no RPGA games listed on the first day, they won't sell any until they are listed. I am positive that when the RPGA games are listed and available for purchase, someone will post that information.
RPGA HQ is not hip deep in people. Chris Tulach, the RPGA Content Manager, must oversees multiple activities in the RPGA, including the startup of LFR, and he is a very busy man. He is definitely working hard on the LFR campaign. Getting adventures for "big shows" like Gencon is very important to the RPGA. Besides having the adventure titles and blurbs, Chris also needs to devise the gaming schedule, and that is not just for LFR. Activities like the Dungeon Delve and the D&D Championship will be there too. When do adventures run and how many tables of each in order to set ticket numbers by Gencon LLC (and to advocate for floorspace), but also to tell Dave Christ how many RPGA judges he needs to recruit. BTW, Dave is really the knowledgable guy about Gencon RPGA operations so if he chimes in, consider his point of view as well informed.
Keith
Keith Hoffman
LFR Writing Director for Waterdeep
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5 years ago ::
Apr 15, 2008 - 4:24PM
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Keith, you don't seem to understand the problem. The point it, many, many Gencon events DO sell out the first day (even the first HOUR) of registration. Anyone who is interested in the RPGA events is now put in a bind, because it is impossible to schedule their other events and still be sure of getting the RPGA events.
Say, for example, I really, really want to do event A. Event A has two times, call them A1 and A2. Event A is a very high demand event. I also want to do Event B, an RPGA event. I want to schedule whichever time of Event A (A1 or A2) that does not conflict with Event B.
As it stands right now, I CAN'T schedule my events. I have to guess on A1 or A2, and really really hope that it doesn't conflict with Event B.
Now multiply this small problem by the number of events you want to play at Gencon.
See the issue?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 15, 2008 - 5:20PM
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Not to mention that the opening of event registration is often the only time when many of us can dedicate ourselves to obtaining events. After Sunday, I'm back at work behind a nice firewall and no access to either the event catalog from GC or the RPGA forums. Now, as a previous poster stated, I've blocked my True Dungeon event without knowing my RPGA events on Sunday. The RPGA events hit the catalog at 11:45AM on Tuesday...by 1400 hours Tuesday afternoon, the Waterdeep Intro mods are all gone and I never had a chance. Now I have a possibly inconvenient TD run and no RPGA events to show for it. Last year they mave have gone quickly (some in under 5 minutes), but I had just as must chance as anyone.
This is a serious damper on my plans...
I know...it's not the end of the world, and we may yet make it...its just frustrating not knowing anything and having to speculate our own answers.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 15, 2008 - 6:06PM
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I think I understand what the concern is. You (generic you) want to play several/many different games (not all of which are RPGA or LFR), some have very limited availability (seats and/or times) and are in demand which makes your scheduling a nightmare. With the rolling rollout that Gencon LLC elected to do, not having all choices open at the same moment in time, makes your decision making that much tougher. Is that basically it? You may be stressed or even frustrated with "the whole system," perhaps you would like to scream at someone for being incompetent????
At some point, you may have to prioritize your choices, and try to get either the stuff you cannot play elsewhere or you just don't want to take a chance on missing. Obviously, I hope you put the RPGA games and LFR high on your list, but I do realize that except for the LFR special, the adventures will be available globally so you might opt for picking some of them up later. Your choice.
I do have sympathy for the challenges you face to accomplish what you want. My perspective is just different.
Keith
Keith Hoffman
LFR Writing Director for Waterdeep
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5 years ago ::
Apr 15, 2008 - 7:35PM
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With the rolling rollout that Gencon LLC elected to do, not having all choices open at the same moment in time, makes your decision making that much tougher. Is that basically it? You may be stressed or even frustrated with "the whole system," perhaps you would like to scream at someone for being incompetent????
Keith
Keith, attempting to shift blame to GenCon LLC is a little unfair. No-one either in this thread or in the equivalent GenCon thread has made this complaint. The only problem people have is that the RPGA have been very late getting their submissions in, and then stated that they *had* sent them in, when they hadn't, actually, done so.
No-one is screaming, we just want you to know that it is a serious issue for, well, basically every single person interested in D&D and GenCon. It means that we must relegate D&D to second-citizen status in terms of making time available -- it will now just fill holes rather than be a #1 goal.
It seems strange to me that a company that wants to sell a new product would be happy with this status. It means that people like myself, who are bringing down 4 family members and *cannot afford* to hang around halls hoping to pick up games, will choose other companies products rather than yours simply because you were unable to make a timely submission.
If your different perspective is that you simply don't care, then I guess there's not much to be said. If, however, you do care, perhaps even a vague promise to look into it might be better than "if you're hosed, just play the game at home later".
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5 years ago ::
Apr 15, 2008 - 11:08PM
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In the defense of the RPGA Gen Con did move up event registration with little or no warning. Event registration was usually the first week of May and now it is the third Sunday in April. I do not get this move by Gen Con and it is tough on us that want to schedule times for games. I hope the RPGA and Gen Con can resolve this by Sunday.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 16, 2008 - 3:06AM
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IIRC, standard practice at GenCon Indy in the past was for the LG Core Special and the three LG Core modules to be run in every slot. Now I can only guess that this would be similar this year; I can't imagine that there would be slots when the special, at least, doesn't run. And so while it'd be a bit of a lottery - as you do not know what other people are choosing - saying "I'll book True Dungeon here and sign up for that 4 hour event there and hope that on one of the 9 other slots I've currently not filled there'll be a seat at the Special, and any other LFR mods I can get in to.
Ideal? No, but when has GenCon registration ever been ideal? RPGA slots sell out very quickly. True Dungeon sells out very quickly. The system often crashes. It's the same every year, it seems... and while it would help for the RPGA events to be in the pre-release lists, there are solutions to this problem, I think.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 16, 2008 - 6:27AM
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I think I understand what the concern is. You (generic you) want to play several/many different games (not all of which are RPGA or LFR), some have very limited availability (seats and/or times) and are in demand which makes your scheduling a nightmare. With the rolling rollout that Gencon LLC elected to do, not having all choices open at the same moment in time, makes your decision making that much tougher. Is that basically it? You may be stressed or even frustrated with "the whole system," perhaps you would like to scream at someone for being incompetent????
At some point, you may have to prioritize your choices, and try to get either the stuff you cannot play elsewhere or you just don't want to take a chance on missing. Obviously, I hope you put the RPGA games and LFR high on your list, but I do realize that except for the LFR special, the adventures will be available globally so you might opt for picking some of them up later. Your choice.
I do have sympathy for the challenges you face to accomplish what you want. My perspective is just different.
Keith
As it is playing out with the 10 or so friends of mine considering to go for our first time largely to jump into LFR, the delay is causing a lack of confidence and unguaranteed adventure schedules could turn into a deal breaker for our trip.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 16, 2008 - 7:24AM
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I'm having a similar problem with my group of 5. We got into the RPGA 2 years ago because of LG. We are staying involved in the RPGA partially for LFR. We are going to our first Gencon partially to get in on the ground floor of LFR from day one. These events are important to us, but not so important that we're willing to take a chance at blowing our first Gencon wandering around searching for a game to play. If the LFR slots don't make it in by the 20th... I'm not waiting around and scrambling for leftovers.
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