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Oh I'm not assigning any rank based on position in the list. As you said they're obviously in alpha order. I just find it funny that a company Peter owns is in the bankruptcy proceedings for another company he owns.

tripperm wrote:

Source please? Exactly where are you getting the information that Wizards will not be at GenCon? To my knowledge they haven't said one way or the other yet.

It's the logical conclusion of the current events.
And it was the response to another statement that Wizard's (possible) non-attendance would not affect 4e. I countered that Wizard's (possible) non-attendance would.

At this point the bankruptcy proceedings are have to go through the creditor's lawyers (if GenCon has even submitted a proposal, which they have until June/July to do). Which means it's going through Hasbro's legal and accounting departments. Not WotC who are likely so far out of the loop they see the loop as a dot.
Hasbro's not likely to care about the launch of a secondary part of a third-rate sub-company or even the minor sales of the major game to said third-rate sub-company. The people doing all the negotiations probably don't even know what the RPGA is.

So we have to let legal check to see if the proposal is acceptable. Then we have to wait as the knowledge it's been accepted trickles down from legal- Hasbro- WotC management- WotC staff -RPGA- GenCon- us. So best case, it's a week after anything newsworth happens that we find out.

But at this point, with GenCon registration closed and just over three months to go, it's probably a safe bet to assume WotC is not attending, just so back-up plans can occur.

What do you want them to say?

If the situation is that they do not know whether the legal considerations will allow them to attend, that's all they can say. That is what they appear to have said via Customer Services.

They can't say "We're not attending" ... they probably want to attend and won't say that until the last minute.

They can't say "We're attending" as to do so removes a potential bargaining chip and may not be legally possible under the circumstances.

So they're left saying nothing specific, which is what has to happen when legal processes are taking place - plus I expect there might be an element of business here too: WotC/Hasbro might want to receive discounts or write off some of the money they're owed in lieu of paying fees to GenCon - and such things might have to be approved by the court, now. It is, probably, a very sticky situation indeed, and we're not going to hear anything until it's finalised as it's never wise to blurt intentions out in public when negotiations are ongoing.

hunter_gather wrote:

It would just be nice if for once (on their own messageboards, they seem to post on EnWorld and other places a heck of a lot more) they would say ANYTHING regarding the situation. The only reason we know whats going on afaik is from somebody's post on the GenCon boards. Why cant they bother to spend the 15 seconds it would take to give us a little blurb saying something about whats going on. I wouldnt even care if it was ambiguous as heck, just letting us know they give a crud would be nice.

WotC have made a statement about the situation. There is nothing else to say on the matter until that situation changes. Sheesh, for all the posturing that goes on these boards about WotC not producing things quick enough, I wonder why anyone would want them to waste their time repeating the same statement over and over. Unless you expect them to update us with information such as:

"We've got a conference call with our legal team at 10:30am, followed by lunch, with the early afternoon set aside for pushing over old people and mocking ugly babies in public, possibly the posting footage on YouTube. We'll make a statement about the download rate of said video tomorrow, oh and there's probably another legal meeting. Maybe."

hunter_gather wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I think the guy thats running the RPGA show (Chris?) is doing a helluva job in the situation hes been given.

I don't see that Ian or Chris have done anything different to the rest of the WotC staff, certainly not anything that inspires harsh criticism of the latter and glowing praise of the former.

Forums such as these are breeding grounds for speculation and that is fine, however, at some point we will have to accept the fact that there is a plethora of information that cannot be legally disclosed to the player base and that old people pushing and ugly baby mocking aside, WotC doesn't go out of its way to screw over its customers.


Joe