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7 years ago ::
May 26, 2006 - 10:28AM
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I am truly sad with this. I never even got real cards as it wasnt released in my country. BUT, i did print cards and glue em to play. I have enjoyed everything about cards and the story.
Hello RyanM...it is too bed that hecatomb gonna die, but i would like to ask, if you have some concepts prepared for next expasnion, and if it will be publicated...i am really curious what were you preparing for next expasnion, new minons and gods...THX.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. If you have anything RyanM could you please post it here or on the hecatomb site?
Thank you.
(I think Im gonna cry.)
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7 years ago ::
May 26, 2006 - 12:12PM
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It was pretty obvious the game was moribund. I liked it better than any CCG out there but not enough people were playing. Instead of complaining about Wizards, you should blame all the haters who trash talked the game when it first came out. Wizards did not set out to invest a lot of money in a game just to ruin it. I'm sure the production costs were pretty high, with the unique card design and killer artwork. Business savvy people would have noted how little excitement was being generating before it's release by looking at the board activity. That huge GenCon display shows Wizards was willing to support the game. It just never took off. I think it was market saturation with CCG's that fueled Hecatomb's endbringer. I'm looking forward to collecting tons of the discounted cards.
I'm not sure Dreamblade will do that well either. I know a lot of you are venting you're frustrations on that game. "You think you hate it now, just wait til you play it". Seriously, I've played a little on Vassal and it's pretty fun.
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7 years ago ::
May 26, 2006 - 3:10PM
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i want my money back.
never again will i purchase a wizards product.
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7 years ago ::
May 26, 2006 - 3:17PM
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Im sorry Icy but you make me sick. This game was aimed at 15+ just like it says on the box, but you, YOUR ACTING LIKE A BLOODY 4 YEAR OLD.[/quote]
I dont remeber putting much into this game like me and Katt and the other who were here at 200 days to the launch. And since this board is the only one i post on, and i couldn't care less about my acct here. So..
You little upstarts who came in at last minute really dont deserve to talk on this subject. Frankily some of us have put alot into promoting this game, from leagues to tournaments and established this game as much as it is now. You who just transfered in from magic at the last minute are kinda pathetic for even pretending to be justified in your lame opinions.
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7 years ago ::
May 26, 2006 - 3:18PM
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Boycotting will only harm other product lines you enjoy published by WotC, and could cause them to go belly up as well. Keep in mind, as easy as it is to point fingers it still comes down to what we as consumers buy. If you love a product, buy it! Tell your friends! Ask for it at conventions.[/quote]
Thats the idea 
I quit all Wizards products when that sorry excuse for a block called Urza Saga was released. I had recently regained some low level respect for Magic since Onslaught. I loved AD&D and watched tearful as TSR sold out to the big money, and the big money destroyed it in the name of commericialism and profit. I broke a long standing boycott of Wizards products then because my beloved Ad&D was now in your hands.
The fact is your screwed us. We put time into promoting the game when WotC would not. We put money into tournaments, Leagues and cards to support the game. We made Hecatomb what it was and we were screwed to make a larger profit. Thats the point. Not that Wizards might lose money. Not that Wizards could lose buisness. That Wizards screwed the people who support it and keep it in buisness. It is VERY easy to point fingers when the company does not support its own product and asks the fans to do so, then kills it anyway.
All that happened here, as i said, is that Mini games generate more profit because players need to buy alot more packs, getting less minatures per pack then cards, to get what they need to play. Its simple mathematics. I bet if they could transfer Magic into minatures they'd do it too.
Will I buy Dreamblade? No. Will i enourage other not to? Yes. Will i even petition my local game store not to carry it? Already did. Will i 'tell my friends and ask for it at conventions'? No way in ****. Frankly why should anyone invest money, even more money then we did because its a mini game, when Wizards may just as easily drop Dreamblade in 1 year? In all honesty i challenge any WizO to tell me why I should buy so much as 1 mini when you've shown that you will drop a game at the drop of a hat and deceive the players right up until the end? Why should i put $500 into minis for Dreamblade and be stuck with them and no support in less then a year?
For the records, i too knew this was coming to an end soon. I make no statement that I thought this game would last indefinitely. Ihad expected about 2 years. I just didnt think WotC would decieve the players as you did and generally pour salt into the open gash your screwing gave us.
Thats what really hurts here.
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7 years ago ::
May 26, 2006 - 7:27PM
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Are there going to be any tournament events at GenCon for Hecatomb? It would be nice to give the fans a last good-bye.I am sad to hear that Hecatomb is canceled, but not surprised. It was probably one of the best games both with environment and mechanics. The reason it died, however, is because of the very reason it died. Wizards has gotten such a reputation for quitting games than we fans don't trust them anymore. Everyone I talked to wanted to play Hecatomb, and wanted it to be successful, but they didn't buy into it because they knew this would happen, and it did. I myself slipped in judgement and bought in just because I loved the game so much. Sadly, this goes another step forward in digging the nail into the coffin for wizards. After this, they won't be able to release a successful new game for people over the age 12+ again. (People under 12 don't care who is making a game) Seriouly, Wizard's if you just kept the game alive another year or two it would have taken off, and went a long distance to rebuild your reputation. P.S. we all new this was coming in Febuary anyway when the website took a serious decline in updates. 
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7 years ago ::
May 26, 2006 - 9:34PM
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Thats the idea
All that happened here, as i said, is that Mini games generate more profit because players need to buy alot more packs, getting less minatures per pack then cards, to get what they need to play. Its simple mathematics. I bet if they could transfer Magic into minatures they'd do it too.
In all honesty i challenge any WizO to tell me why I should buy so much as 1 mini when you've shown that you will drop a game at the drop of a hat and deceive the players right up until the end? Why should i put $500 into minis for Dreamblade and be stuck with them and no support in less then a year?
Sure I'm a wizo but I'm also a manger at a local gaming store and can tell you that we sold 1 and only 1 hecatomb first expansion pack. We've had to clearance BOXES and BOXES of hecatomb stuff. Regardless of the quality of the game, at least in my area, its just not selling. My store took a loss of hundreds of dollars on that game. If it was continued tomorrow you wouldn't be able to buy it from us because we wouldn't stock it. A $10 sale every month (heck even weekly) doesn't warrant the space and cost of the item. This is also the case for all the stores in my area. Check e-bay and you'll see cases going for $20 which is WAY well below any discount level offered by distrbutors. Stores are taking losses to move the product out and this was BEFORE it was announced that the game was going to be discontiued.
This is not an uncommon trend in CCGs. We've been burned on L5R, Warcry, Anachronism, Dark Millienium, the various wrestling ccgs, even the kid line games like shaolin showdown and even yu-gi-oh, and that's all in the past year. A decision has been made to cut down to 3 CCGs and get rid of the rest. This leads to a huge FEAR factor in buying CCGs mentioned in the posts above. Because many CCGs have a short shelf life people fear buying them, and if you don't buy them they don't make money, and if they don't make money they get cancelled. Funny thing is SWM, D&DM, and A&AM are all GREAT sellers. We had one costumer that bought $1,500 in SWM in just two weeks!
I think Ryan and WotC made a great game but CCGs are a beast to market and keep alive and most importantly profitable. I couldn't comment on WotC official reason for cancelling the line but, if nationally, the problem was similar to what my store went through they may have not had a choice.
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7 years ago ::
May 26, 2006 - 10:36PM
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This is not an uncommon trend in CCGs. We've been burned on L5R, Warcry, Anachronism, Dark Millienium, the various wrestling ccgs, even the kid line games like shaolin showdown and even yu-gi-oh, and that's all in the past year.[/quote]
I find that you couldn't sell yugioh very surprising. Everywhere I've ever been I've seen that franchise sell like gangbusters, in fact all of my local game shops are more willing to drop lines like D&D minis and Vs. before they'd ever dream of dropping Yugioh. (sorry for going off-topic, just found that interesting, back to your regularly scheduled thread)
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7 years ago ::
May 27, 2006 - 8:36AM
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I don't know what to say.
this is. ummmm.... well... this sucks. alot. I have not put this much energy/money into any other game. It was, in my humble opinion, the greatest game I have ever played. and this comes a month two late to be an april fools joke... wow. I'm so...
You know what, I'm very sorry if what I'm about to say offends anyone, but oh well.
this ****ing sucks. I have put alot into this game. I have put just as much into this game (in terms of time/effort/whatever else) than the company that produced it. I would like to ask Ryan one question: what company bigwig is responsible for this decision. I want to punch the ****er in the face.
EDIT:\(note: that's not a threat. It's a desire. note how I say 'Want", not 'will")
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7 years ago ::
May 27, 2006 - 9:19AM
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I find that you couldn't sell yugioh very surprising. Everywhere I've ever been I've seen that franchise sell like gangbusters, in fact all of my local game shops are more willing to drop lines like D&D minis and Vs. before they'd ever dream of dropping Yugioh. (sorry for going off-topic, just found that interesting, back to your regularly scheduled thread)[/quote]
Well our store does have a much older crowd than many others, still vs. is 100 times more popular that any other card game (with the possible exception of magic). We have a vs. night that draws 5-10 people each night.
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