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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 7:42AM
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- Cool code name: Black Mamba
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You were lucky if you could get 2 (or was it 4) crappy rares for 1 tix.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 7:48AM
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Date Joined:
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Flame Tongue Kavu!!!!!
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 10:29AM
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I need 3 liliana of the Veil for the deck I want to play the most.
There's no point in trying to play the game the way I want to:
Bots have 24 hours per day to trade, I only have 1 at the maximum.
Bots can always go positive in trades.
I must always go negative to get the cards I want.
Bots and traders inflate the prices of the cards so that this becomes a "buying cards game".
Not to mention the inherent imbalances in the card themselves; Liliana of the Veil being 35 tickets right now, while Vraska the Unseen hovers around 5 -- solely because traders don't want to sell Vraska cheaper in case someone breaks her.
Mythic rares kills the game, because even though I love the game -- I can't justify paying 100$ for 3 pieces of virtual cardboard simply because the makers of the game decided that those pieces of cardboard were going to be the BEST AND THE RAREST pieces of virtual cardboard just to sell more virtual pieces of cardboard for people to acquire those best pieces of virtual cardboard so that they can win games.
I'm off to an alternative source where every piece of virtual cardboard has the same price -- until Liliana of the Veil is down to 10$ per piece of virtual cardboard.
Of course, I will still play other decks on MTGO.
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Funny thing is, I have not seen Liliana of the Veil in play more than one single time the past year.
Is she sideboard for ONE specific T2 tournament netdeck or something?
I can't count the times I've seen Garruk the Veil-Cursed and Tamyio the Moon Sage.
In drafts, I have seen them both several time in play, each. But not Liliana.
In constructed, I have only seen her one single time.
I remember that game well -- because that is the single and only game I saw her.
Drafted her once, too, at the start of Innistrad -- but sold her to buy the bread and butter of my black deck; Other rares.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 10:51AM
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Bots and traders inflate the prices of the cards so that this becomes a "buying cards game".
That's not the way economics works. Having a defacto currency (tickets) and several large dealers competing leads to a more efficient economy, which lowers prices. Automating the process with bots makes things yet more efficient.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 11:07AM
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Date Joined:
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Bots and traders inflate the prices of the cards so that this becomes a "buying cards game".
That's not the way economics works. Having a defacto currency (tickets) and several large dealers competing leads to a more efficient economy, which lowers prices. Automating the process with bots makes things yet more efficient.
Players need 0.0% profit.
Bots need 20.0% profit.
The need for profit drives prices for humans buying cards up and humans selling cards down.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 11:39AM
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Date Joined:
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Bots and traders inflate the prices of the cards so that this becomes a "buying cards game".
That's not the way economics works. Having a defacto currency (tickets) and several large dealers competing leads to a more efficient economy, which lowers prices. Automating the process with bots makes things yet more efficient.
Players need 0.0% profit.
Bots need 20.0% profit.
The need for profit drives prices for humans buying cards up and humans selling cards down.
You're wrong. Bots have driven the prices down quite consistently. As the OP suggests, years ago it was difficult to find even jank rares for less than a ticket.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 12:57PM
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Having a perfect market pushes down prices and bots are one part of that, but the completely unnecessary difficulty an individual player has selling their cards functions as a large regressive tax on the player base in favour of those with the most - generally bots.
And low prices for rares aren't a sign that the game has gotten cheaper, they're a function of mythic rarity and the general decline of constructed on modo relative to limited.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 1:09PM
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Date Joined:
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The price of rares had dropped from where it was when i started well before mythics arrived. I remember the  for  bots being new and later when they where obsoleted. And that was all before Alara block and its new shiny mythics. On the over hand commons are still virtually the same cost as they have ever been. 
I've bought the cards and made a deck Now how do I win at this?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 2:31PM
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Date Joined:
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Funny thing is, I have not seen Liliana of the Veil in play more than one single time the past year.
Is she sideboard for ONE specific T2 tournament netdeck or something?
I can't count the times I've seen Garruk the Veil-Cursed and Tamyio the Moon Sage.
In drafts, I have seen them both several time in play, each. But not Liliana.
In constructed, I have only seen her one single time.
In standard she's in around 8% of the decks (jund most notibly)
www.mtgo-stats.com/
In modern she was in about 20% of decks since jund was just that popular. But Jund's number is down to 4% because of the bloodbraid elf ban (jan 28th).
Strangely enough Liliana has gone up since they neutered jund in modern. So my guess is that Jund is getting more popular in standard, the format that most people play.
Vraska the Unseen hovers around 5 -- solely because traders don't want to sell Vraska cheaper in case someone breaks her.
Vraska is seen in some standard sideboards, and she's actually played in block.
Block is played enough that it can effect prices. Tree of redemption was 2 tickets at one point, and at that same point in time it was 75 cents in paper.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 3:25PM
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Date Joined:
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Mythic rares kills the game, because even though I love the game -- I can't justify paying 100$ for 3 pieces of virtual cardboard simply because the makers of the game decided that those pieces of cardboard were going to be the BEST AND THE RAREST pieces of virtual cardboard just to sell more virtual pieces of cardboard for people to acquire those best pieces of virtual cardboard so that they can win games.
I agree with you. They do kill the game for those who do not wish to spend an outrageous amount on few pieces of virtual cardboard. For the price of 1 Liliana we can buy an entire computer game. I think I bought Civilization 5 for around $25 when it was on sale on Steam.
Sadly however, it doesn't kill the game for others. People DO and WILL pay these outrageous prices -many because they love competing in Standard and realize that this is the only way to compete at the highest level, and some because they want to be in the running to going infinite.
It was very smart of Wizards to create Mythics, however it is bad for the average player like me. The day when I quit Standard and play instead a few Drafts and the rest Commander games will come soon for me, if this trend with Mythic prices continues.
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