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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 8:52AM #1
ChalkdustTorture
Date Joined: Nov 11, 2012
Posts: 7
Don't remove this format please!

It's just the right amount of time and variance and is a cost effective way to build a collection.

I play dozens of these each month and I won't play a single phantom event.

Keeping the cards is half the fun!

A lot of players I have talked with are shocked and dissappointed at this move. 
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 10:01AM #2
Gauk0010
Date Joined: Dec 18, 2012
Posts: 2
I agree completely.  The only format on Magic online I curently play is 4 pack sealed.  That's because it's a way I can build my collection without spending a fortune, in the the hopes of soon being able to play in the constructed events with the cards I've opened.  These phantom sealeds you are instituting are quite clearly a terrible value and don't help anyone build a collection.  I seriously hope you reconsider taking away the 4 pack sealeds, because as it stands I won't be logging into Magic Online anymore.  
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 10:30AM #3
Snow_Leopard
Date Joined: Dec 18, 2012
Posts: 2
The majority of my sealed play is 4-pack sealed.  It's the only reasonable option for building a collection somewhat inexpensively and gives opportunity to see many cards that otherwise wouldn't see play in action.

Who cares if Curse of the Bloody Tome is an absolute powerhouse in an online format?  4-pack sealed is fun. Phantom events are NOT.

Don't make this change!
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 10:32AM #4
dave78pdx
Date Joined: Nov 11, 2011
Posts: 32
"I won't be logging inin Magic Online anymore."

Let's not resort to hyperbole... But the reality is, I won't play in a limited event where I don't keep the cards, and I don't have time to play more than 3-rounds in one sitting (unless I want to be totally useless at work the next morning.)

In other words, I won't be playing sealed anything on MTGO anymore. I'll shift the focus of my limited play to swiss draft almost exclusively.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 11:15AM #5
joewhatever
Date Joined: Feb 18, 2003
Posts: 83
Please dont remove this. I feel like I complain a lot on here but most of my complaining comes from you constantly trimming away or flat our removing anything that can give the players any type of good value.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 11:24AM #6
dave78pdx
Date Joined: Nov 11, 2011
Posts: 32
I suggested this in another thread, so I'll add it here as well...

If you are going to take away 4-pack sealed and replace it with a phantom 6-pack sealed, please also bring back non-phantom 6-pack sealed to the on-demand limited queues.

3-round swiss drafts are 14 tix or 3 packs plus 2 tix to enter, with 1 pack per match win for prize support.... Just double it, and do a 3-round 6-pack sealed swiss for 28 tix or 6 packs plus 4 tix to enter, with 2 packs per match win as prize support.

4 rounds is too long for many people, and the scheduled events are hit or miss for timing.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 11:29AM #7
300_Pound_Punch
Date Joined: Sep 17, 2009
Posts: 32
6 pack phantom sealed event may have its lovers.  But why can't it co-exist with the 4-pack sealed?  If you think that 4-pack sealed is causing programming issues, you should replace it with 6-pack sealed with a proper incentive to players.  If your reason for abandoning the format being unbalanced, I would say that we should let the players vote with their wallet.

I cannot speak for others.  But removing the 4-pack sealed will make me switch to drafts, but at a much lesser quantity.  Non-phantom sealed or drafts offer a CHANCE (though slim for me due to my lack of skill and luckl) to win the card lottery.  Phantom one may cost less but I would rather have a chance to get excited on opening money cards.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 11:51AM #8
xger
Date Joined: Mar 5, 2004
Posts: 342

Dec 18, 2012 -- 11:29AM, 300_Pound_Punch wrote:

6 pack phantom sealed event may have its lovers.  But why can't it co-exist with the 4-pack sealed?  If you think that 4-pack sealed is causing programming issues, you should replace it with 6-pack sealed with a proper incentive to players.  If your reason for abandoning the format being unbalanced, I would say that we should let the players vote with their wallet.

I cannot speak for others.  But removing the 4-pack sealed will make me switch to drafts, but at a much lesser quantity.  Non-phantom sealed or drafts offer a CHANCE (though slim for me due to my lack of skill and luckl) to win the card lottery.  Phantom one may cost less but I would rather have a chance to get excited on opening money cards.




I think this is a large part of the fun of sealed. So when they are suddenly phantom, it just isn't the same. Considering no mention of this particularly strong difference in the article, it seems as though WotC is forgetting or ignoring that portion of sealed.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 11:53AM #9
Zlehtnoba
Date Joined: Mar 26, 2004
Posts: 1,024

Dec 18, 2012 -- 11:29AM, 300_Pound_Punch wrote:

Non-phantom sealed or drafts offer a CHANCE (though slim for me due to my lack of skill and luckl) to win the card lottery.  Phantom one may cost less but I would rather have a chance to get excited on opening money cards.




I will always remember the release sealed where I opened both a foil Trostani and an Armada Wurm. I was winning the finals when power failed in our area, but hey, I got to keep the cards, and the boosters for two wins. Now if this was Phantom, I'd still be mad about it instead of happy.

Please keep the four-booster sealed.

50. Doesn't hurt. Yet.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 11:54AM #10
codechemist
Date Joined: Aug 18, 2007
Posts: 3
I only recently started playing magic online. I have really enjoyed it so far.  I have been playing 4 pack sealed almost exclusively for many of the reasons listed above.  It helps build my collection and I can generally start one whenever I want instead of having to wait for one of the scheduled 6 pack events.  I'm not great at playing yet so I tend to go 1-2, which nets me a pack at the end.  So basically my packs are 25% off which is easier for me to justify on digital cards that I can't use with my friends in paper magic.

With a phantom event, I don't keep the cards.  If I maintain my same record, I pay 8 event tickets for 1 pack, so I'm basically paying double for the pack.  It just doesn't make sense and I probably won't do it.  I'd be happy to play in a sealed 6 pack queue if balance is really the issue that is driving the decision as the article says.  In any case, Wizards asked for feedback and mine is I probably won't play the phantom sealed queues.  Instead I'll try to do one of the scheduled 6 pack sealed tourneys, but so far in my roughly 1 month of playing, I haven't been able to make one yet.  The 4 rounds is a bit long to start at night, and awkward at best to schedule during the day.  :-(
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