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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:16AM
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Date Joined:
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This thread is for discussion of the feature article " Magic Online Programs Update: MOCS, MOPR, and More", which goes live Tuesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:19PM
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The links for both the MOCS rules and MOPR rules go to the 2012 editions. Considering this is supposed to be the introduction to the new stuff, new, appropriate links would be very very useful. On a quick note: I am quite disappointed in the departure of 4 booster sealed. It was fun and a different approach to sets that may have grown stale. I honestly don't see why it cannot co-exist with the 6 booster phantom. I will have more thoughts later tomorrow to add. Look, I found the actual MOCS 2013 link. Looks like the MOPR link was corrected
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:19PM
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Please do away with cube tix, I understnad that fewer boosters need to be paid out, but Cube Tix are not good.
If that's not possible, at least make getting 2nd in Cube Elim pay enough Cube Tix for a second draft. They currently pay 8 cube tix, you need 10 to draft again. 4-3-2-2 drafts pay enough boosters for 2nd place players to draft again, cube should do the same.
At the very least, make Cube Tix tradeable. I have 8 from last time I cubed, and they're sitting there uselessly.
The end is always nigh.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:19PM
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Yikes.
Lowering the promo payout, despite the streamlining, and drastically lowering the payout on sealed by nixing 4-packs (which actually had decent payouts) and going to phantom: both horrible for players.
But all anyone will discuss will be the promo FOW. I guess that was its point: distract from lowering prize support (again).
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:38PM
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- Volunteer Community Lead
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Solid article from Chris.
Updates to MOCS seem reasonable, though one thing is not clear. Will players with 15 QP be able to join all four prelims or just one? It says you don't have to play in all four, implying you could, but I'm not convinced that is the intention. Being only able to play in one makes more sense. And what about if you have 30 QP? That's short of the 35 needed for automatic entry, but twice the amount needed for prelims. Can they enter twice? I kinda like that idea, as it provides an extra stratum. Edit: reading the full MOCS rules and some tweets, I think I'm right and 30 QP can enter twice (events will "cost" 15 QP).
And, of course, the FoW promo was only a matter of time, and this is exactly how it should be given out.
The 1000 PWP for the PTQ winner is interesting. It's far more points than you would get for winning a PTQ of comparable size in paper (assuming about the largest MTGO PTQ size of around 750 and that the winner will have 13-14 wins: (13*3+7)*5 = 230). Barring upcoming changes in bye levels (which seems likely), 1k points automatically puts you at the two-bye level for GPs. This is identical to the bonus now given to paper PTQ winners (though of course the player won't get the normal PWP from the event as a paper player would).
Also like the player rewards changes. Making the reward levels grokable (and reasonably attainable) is a big plus. I do wish they had kept a land promo just for logging in though, as casual players are now cut out from the goodies. The reduction in promos should also help conserve promos some.
Phantom sealed events are okay, if predicatable.
Not sure about the New Player Event change. I like the idea of them only needing a non-tradable object to enter, but I don't have enough data on new player motivations to really have a strong stance on this one.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:57PM
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Having a promo that can only be accessed by spending money in the store and not accessable through financial transactions in the client is disgusting. It's not a surprise, given how the RtR prerelases required you to spend money in the store to participate in those events, but it's a trend that once again penalises players who finance themselves within MtGO without interaction with the store.
If you finance yourself within MtGO, then you can finance yourself to buy one on the secondary market.
"You mean I have to buy something from you in order to get my promotional gift? That's disgusting!"
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"I think "Highly Informed Sarcasm" should be our Magic Online General motto." -Ith
"Sorry, but this thread seems just like spam. TT is for off-topic discussion, not no-topic discussion."
-WizO_Kwai_Chang
"Stop that! If you're not careful, rational thinking may catch on!" -Sax
"... the only word i see that fits is incompitant." -Mr44 (sic)
"You know a thread is gonna be locked when it gets to the hexadecimal stage." -Gathion
"It's a good gig" - Gleemax
"I tell people often, if you guys want to rant, you've certainly got the right to (provided you obey CoC/ToS stuff), and I don't even really blame you. But if you see something you think needs changing a well thought-out, constructive post does more to make that happen." - Worth Wollpert
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:38PM
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" in 2013 we really want to reevaluate our eternal and specialty formats and look for opportunities that make sense for our players and Magic Online. "
This is the big thing for me... Having MOCS be legacy this time around is great for us eternal players... But I'm hoping we can get some more initiatives specific to eternal formats...
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Things that I want to see changed on MTGO:
1: 64 man drafts added to rotation of Events.
2: Visual/Audible Notification of disconnect, deckbuild/afk time expiring and round starts.
3: Prize Payouts as close to draft sets as possible.
4: Rotate Classic draft queues monthly!
5: MOCS level events for Classic/Pauper
6: Power 9!
7: Award Promo Cards for Constructed PEs (esp for Legacy/Classic)
8: Program Split option back in!
9: Set Favorite version in deck editor (i.e. always use x swamp)
10: Better sorting of gold cards in deck editor.
11: Bring leagues Back!
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:51PM
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I enjoy drafts, but what really brought me back to Magic Online was, in fact, the 4-pack sealed! I found the format to be very fun and challenging! The margin of error you have in the format is incredibly small - but the better players still win. I am sad to see it go  If you are a collector, the 4-pack sealed was the best format to play for collecting one of every card. Obviously, the phantom sealed has no appeal to me at all in this regard. By the way, there seems to be very little incentive for the phantom sealed because the cards won't be added to your collection, and even if you go 3-0 you are only up 3/3.5 tix for about three hours of your time. If you really want to practice, okay, but at best you'll make 1 tix per hour.... 4-pack sealed was firing as quick as draft events - but 6-pack would take forever to fire! Even scheduled 6-pack events were slow to get enough players to fire (other than certain special "top-8" events). Why they are getting rid of the 4-pack sealed is beyond me!
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 11:04PM
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Date Joined:
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Solid article from Chris.
Updates to MOCS seem reasonable, though one thing is not clear. Will players with 15 QP be able to join all four prelims or just one? It says you don't have to play in all four, implying you could, but I'm not convinced that is the intention. Being only able to play in one makes more sense. And what about if you have 30 QP? That's short of the 35 needed for automatic entry, but twice the amount needed for prelims. Can they enter twice? I kinda like that idea, as it provides an extra stratum. Edit: reading the full MOCS rules and some tweets, I think I'm right and 30 QP can enter twice (events will "cost" 15 QP).
The end-of-season events consume QPs, so you can join as many as you have QPs for. Obviously, if you have 35, you won't want to risk some in a Prelim because you can just join the finals the following week.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 11:05PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 30, 2010
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They need to up the payouts of Daily Sealed Queues slightly to compensate for the lack of 4booster sealed. Bring Daily Sealed Queues closer to the EV of Release Event Sealed and people would actually play them in large numbers. I would play nearly every Sealed Daily I could if they kept the entry fee the same but paid out 12-7-3.
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