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6 months ago  ::  Nov 21, 2012 - 1:55PM #161
BlippyTheSlug
Date Joined: Jul 20, 2009
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How can one play fantasy football if over half the scores/stats aren't published? 

One must know the metagame before one can prepare for it. 


All results. All the time. 

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Raoul Duke
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 6:10AM #162
BlippyTheSlug
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Lest ye forget:

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Raoul Duke
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 10:59AM #163
Wizards_Sean
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Hey everyone, while it's fine to discuss the deck lists and metagame in the forum and I don't mind threads that vent frustration (within reason and without flaming/harassing anyone), I don't want this to turn into a series of "bumps", reposts, and images simply to keep a thread alive past the point of active discussion. In other words please don't post unless you have an on-topic contribution that you haven't already stated.


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6 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 11:16AM #164
Telir
Date Joined: Jul 20, 2007
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Nov 26, 2012 -- 10:59AM, Wizards_Sean wrote:

Hey everyone, while it's fine to discuss the deck lists and metagame in the forum and I don't mind threads that vent frustration (within reason and without flaming/harassing anyone), I don't want this to turn into a series of "bumps", reposts, and images simply to keep a thread alive past the point of active discussion. In other words please don't post unless you have an on-topic contribution that you haven't already stated.





Sean, respectfully (I hope) why not? I mean people are still waiting to hear an indepth explanation for a baffling policy that on the surface makes no sense at all. The forum replies we did get were as byzantine and murky as any we have seen on these forums.  I think it is reasonable to bump in waiting for a legitimate response. Not to say we don't appreciate the limited info you posted yourself but it wasn't sufficient to explain anything whatsoever.

You want something that hasn't been said yet? It feels like we are being treated like Mushrooms...

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 11:26AM #165
Alphi
Date Joined: Aug 25, 2011
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I second this 100%. There has been so little information concerning the new policy, I think it is understandable we try to keep this thread in the limelight. Note by the way that this is the only place someone wondering what the policy on MTGO results actually is can look to. It could almost be considered for a sticky...
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 12:07PM #166
Wizards_Sean
Date Joined: Jul 3, 2012
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Nov 26, 2012 -- 11:16AM, Telir wrote:

Nov 26, 2012 -- 10:59AM, Wizards_Sean wrote:

Hey everyone, while it's fine to discuss the deck lists and metagame in the forum and I don't mind threads that vent frustration (within reason and without flaming/harassing anyone), I don't want this to turn into a series of "bumps", reposts, and images simply to keep a thread alive past the point of active discussion. In other words please don't post unless you have an on-topic contribution that you haven't already stated.





Sean, respectfully (I hope) why not? I mean people are still waiting to hear an indepth explanation for a baffling policy that on the surface makes no sense at all. The forum replies we did get were as byzantine and murky as any we have seen on these forums.  I think it is reasonable to bump in waiting for a legitimate response. Not to say we don't appreciate the limited info you posted yourself but it wasn't sufficient to explain anything whatsoever.

You want something that hasn't been said yet? It feels like we are being treated like Mushrooms...




Unfortunately I don't have anything to pass on from the Wizards team that I haven't already posted in the thread. You're free to continue discussing the topic and I'll pass your feedback on to the team as I have been, but like I said I don't want it devolving into ad nauseam "bumps" and image links.


Sean Gibbons
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 1:02PM #167
timotheos
Date Joined: Jan 29, 2005
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Nov 26, 2012 -- 12:07PM, Wizards_Sean wrote:



Unfortunately I don't have anything to pass on from the Wizards team that I haven't already posted in the thread. You're free to continue discussing the topic and I'll pass your feedback on to the team as I have been, but like I said I don't want it devolving into ad nauseam "bumps" and image links.





As I see it there are two problems being complained about in this thread.
1) You got rid of most of the deck information. This doesn't affect me so I'll let others argue about it.
2) The change has never officially been announced. This is my problem.

You have a great website for announcements on the main wizards site. They announce all sorts of things there, from pro tour formats and dates, to next months fnm card, to jobs available at wotc.
This information about the reduced number of deck lists and how you where selecting them could quite easily been a couple of paragraphs at the end of one of the metagame articles or at the top of last months deck lists page or even an arcana topic.

In my opinion forum posts and twitter posts do not count as announcements. They are great for offering clarification on announcements or as a way of updating people on fast moving events and generally letting us know you are listening to us.
But changes in policy shouldn't be one of their uses.



I've bought the cards and made a deck
Now how do I win at this?

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 2:17PM #168
BlippyTheSlug
Date Joined: Jul 20, 2009
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Nov 26, 2012 -- 12:07PM, Wizards_Sean wrote:

.... You're free to continue discussing the topic and I'll pass your feedback on to the team as I have been, but like I said I don't want it devolving into ad nauseam "bumps" and image links.


After looking at the Modern meta online with redacted results for over a month now, Modern seems to be devolving into "nothing but the latest PT/GP/PTQ top decks". Plus Lifegain Aggro, which I'm shocked hasn't "placed in the lists" on paper. 

While these top decks from the latest pro events have always had their (rightful) place at the top of the lists, it's the other stuff I'm seeing less and less of. Those quirky decks like Sonic Boom, or MBC, or Elves, or Vampires, etc. Decks that tweak an existing archetype with a unique "twist", like Dryad Militant instead of Aven Mindcensor in Soul Sisters. Decks that showed how vibrant and wide open the Modern format was. I used to see 'em almost every day. Now I'm lucky if I see one a week.

From my point of view, the Modern meta has narrowed considerabley from what it was at the end of Q3.

That's not a random image up there, it's the actual redacted Modern meta. Read it and weep. Weep as I do daily with frustration of this seemingly useless change, and it's attendant silence.

I find it much easier to just go "Blarg!" in these forums, because it really does feel useless to type out a more thought out response. I know it's not your fault, Sean, but I really feel like wizzo's just don't give a (insert expletive of your choice here). So why should I put out energy banging my head against the wall?

In the meantime, all I hear about Standard is Thragtusk and Angels, with a sprinkling of Zombies.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Raoul Duke
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 6:08PM #169
auaiomrn1
Date Joined: Oct 20, 2007
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Nov 26, 2012 -- 11:16AM, Telir wrote:

Nov 26, 2012 -- 10:59AM, Wizards_Sean wrote:

Hey everyone, while it's fine to discuss the deck lists and metagame in the forum and I don't mind threads that vent frustration (within reason and without flaming/harassing anyone), I don't want this to turn into a series of "bumps", reposts, and images simply to keep a thread alive past the point of active discussion. In other words please don't post unless you have an on-topic contribution that you haven't already stated.





Sean, respectfully (I hope) why not?? I mean people are still waiting to hear an indepth explanation for a baffling policy that on the surface makes no sense at all. The forum replies we did get were as byzantine and murky as any we have seen on these forums.  I think it is reasonable to bump in waiting for a legitimate response. Not to say we don't appreciate the limited info you posted yourself but it wasn't sufficient to explain anything whatsoever.

You want something that hasn't been said yet? It feels like we are being treated like Mushrooms...






Wouldn't want this incredibly active forum getting clogged up.

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 28, 2012 - 7:25AM #170
Alphi
Date Joined: Aug 25, 2011
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3-1'ed a daily today, just hoping it will get "selected" for publishing for bragging rights. Yeah, I know, it's pretty vain, especially for only a 3-1, but isn't getting your name up there part of the appeal of competitive play? It's really not the thing that bothers me most with this whole mess, but it DOES bother me. 
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