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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 11:30AM
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Could somebody from wotc or affiliated post the changes that take place with any new user's agreement. I doubt most players take the time to read it over and over again. I would like to see a list what's new or changed.
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 11:47AM
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Sean will likely be by to address this, but short version is that we added some language to address streaming policies.
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:07PM
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To wit, the section authorizing streaming:
"THE GAME, THE GAME SERVICE AND THE SOFTWARE MAY USE THIRD PARTY WEBSITES AND TECHNOLOGIES TO RECORD OR STREAM GAMEPLAY OR CHAT DIALOGUE ("RECORDINGS"). WIZARDS DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE CREATION AND DISTRIBUTION OF RECORDINGS SO LONG AS SUCH RECORDINGS (A) DO NOT INCLUDE THIRD PARTY TRADING CARD GAMES, OR OTHER PRODUCTS OR SERVICES THAT ARE COMPETITIVE WITH WIZARDS PRODUCTS, (B) COMPLY WITH THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, (C) ARE NOT COMMERCIALLY SOLD OR DISTRIBUTED, AND (D) COMPLY WITH ALL NATIONAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES, AND REGULATIONS. "
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:33PM
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To wit, the section authorizing streaming:
"THE GAME, THE GAME SERVICE AND THE SOFTWARE MAY USE THIRD PARTY WEBSITES AND TECHNOLOGIES TO RECORD OR STREAM GAMEPLAY OR CHAT DIALOGUE ("RECORDINGS"). WIZARDS DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE CREATION AND DISTRIBUTION OF RECORDINGS SO LONG AS SUCH RECORDINGS (A) DO NOT INCLUDE THIRD PARTY TRADING CARD GAMES, OR OTHER PRODUCTS OR SERVICES THAT ARE COMPETITIVE WITH WIZARDS PRODUCTS, (B) COMPLY WITH THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, (C) ARE NOT COMMERCIALLY SOLD OR DISTRIBUTED, AND (D) COMPLY WITH ALL NATIONAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES, AND REGULATIONS. "
You got it. Thanks bubba.
There isn't too much to add to Worth's post. Wording was added to specifically address recording and streaming gameplay and chat. The full Magic Online EULA can be read HERE.
Sean Gibbons Community Coordinator Magic Online & Duels of the Planeswalkers Twitter: @SeanGibbons Official MTGO Twitter: @MagicOnline
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:39PM
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- Volunteer Community Lead
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Disclaimer: I did not look for additional changes. I just grabbed the streaming section.
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"While a picture is worth a thousand words, each lolcat actually produces a negative wordcount." -Ith
"I think "Highly Informed Sarcasm" should be our Magic Online General motto." -Ith
"Sorry, but this thread seems just like spam. TT is for off-topic discussion, not no-topic discussion."
-WizO_Kwai_Chang
"Stop that! If you're not careful, rational thinking may catch on!" -Sax
"... the only word i see that fits is incompitant." -Mr44 (sic)
"You know a thread is gonna be locked when it gets to the hexadecimal stage." -Gathion
"It's a good gig" - Gleemax
"I tell people often, if you guys want to rant, you've certainly got the right to (provided you obey CoC/ToS stuff), and I don't even really blame you. But if you see something you think needs changing a well thought-out, constructive post does more to make that happen." - Worth Wollpert
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:59PM
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(C) ARE NOT COMMERCIALLY SOLD OR DISTRIBUTED
How does this work with magic sites that require paymant to view (example: SCG)?
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 1:10PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 30, 2003
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I'm glad to finally have this in writing since I think streaming is fantastic. You failed to cover the subject of outside assistance, though. Does WOTC view it as acceptable to have people offering assistance to a player during sanctioned matches?
For instance, if a player (let's say Cedric Phillips) is playing Bant Pod, and isn't sure what to do, can he ask the people watching his stream what play he should make? Are they allowed to tell him? Is he allowed to then make that play, and win the game purely due to how much better that play is than what he was going to do?
How about we take another player (let's say AJ Sacher) who is playing in a PTQ with an unfamiliar deck. He asks the crowd for sideboarding advice, since some people watching know the deck and matchup very well. He receives said advice, and the cards he then boards in are integral in winning the match. Do you guys view this as okay?
I'd really like to receive an answer in regards to this. Thanks in advance!
I'd personally love to see streaming change to where players do not interact with the crowd during the game. My hope is that WOTC pushes things in that direction.
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 1:14PM
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- Volunteer Community Lead
- blame me for the weather
Date Joined:
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I'm glad to finally have this in writing since I think streaming is fantastic. You failed to cover the subject of outside assistance, though. Does WOTC view it as acceptable to have people offering assistance to a player during sanctioned matches?
For instance, if a player (let's say Cedric Phillips) is playing Bant Pod, and isn't sure what to do, can he ask the people watching his stream what play he should make? Are they allowed to tell him? Is he allowed to then make that play, and win the game purely due to how much better that play is than what he was going to do?
How about we take another player (let's say AJ Sacher), who is playing in a PTQ with an unfamiliar deck. He asks the crowd for sideboarding advice since some people watching know the deck and matchup very well. He receives said advice, and the cards he then boards in are integral in winning the match. Do you guys view this as okay?
I'd really like to receive an answer in regards to this. Thanks in advance!
I'd personally love to see streaming change to where players do not interact with the crowd during the game. My hope is that WOTC pushes things in that direction.
AFAIK, outside assistance would still violate the Code of Conduct, which is a separate document.
Magic Online Volunteer Community Lead. • Also assisting the Paper Magic area for the time being. I'm trying to make my official VCL posts in purpleYou posted saying my thread was moved/locked but nothing happened. Spoiler:
Show
Unfortunately, VCLs do not currently have the tools necessary to take moderation actions directly. VCLs submit their actions to ORCs, who then actually perform the action. This processing can take between a few minutes and several hours, depending on how busy/attentive the ORCs are. If you see something that needs VCL attention, please use this thread (MTGO) or this thread (paper) to make a request and a VCL will look at it as soon as possible. CoC violations should be reported to Customer Service using the "report post" button. Please do not disrupt the thread by making requests of either kind in-thread.General MTGO FAQYes, the Shuffler is Random!The definitive thread on the Magic Online shuffler. Magic Math Made EasyDraw probabilities, Swiss results, Elo ratings and booster EV Event EV CalculatorCalculate the EV for any event with a fixed number of rounds and prizes based on record Dual means two. A duel is a battle between two people. Lands that make two colors of mana are dual lands. A normal Magic battle is a duel. Thanks to PhoenixLAU for the awesome avatar! Quotables Spoiler:
Show
"While a picture is worth a thousand words, each lolcat actually produces a negative wordcount." -Ith
"I think "Highly Informed Sarcasm" should be our Magic Online General motto." -Ith
"Sorry, but this thread seems just like spam. TT is for off-topic discussion, not no-topic discussion."
-WizO_Kwai_Chang
"Stop that! If you're not careful, rational thinking may catch on!" -Sax
"... the only word i see that fits is incompitant." -Mr44 (sic)
"You know a thread is gonna be locked when it gets to the hexadecimal stage." -Gathion
"It's a good gig" - Gleemax
"I tell people often, if you guys want to rant, you've certainly got the right to (provided you obey CoC/ToS stuff), and I don't even really blame you. But if you see something you think needs changing a well thought-out, constructive post does more to make that happen." - Worth Wollpert
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 1:24PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 25, 2003
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I'm glad to finally have this in writing since I think streaming is fantastic. You failed to cover the subject of outside assistance, though. Does WOTC view it as acceptable to have people offering assistance to a player during sanctioned matches?
For instance, if a player (let's say Cedric Phillips) is playing Bant Pod, and isn't sure what to do, can he ask the people watching his stream what play he should make? Are they allowed to tell him? Is he allowed to then make that play, and win the game purely due to how much better that play is than what he was going to do?
How about we take another player (let's say AJ Sacher) who is playing in a PTQ with an unfamiliar deck. He asks the crowd for sideboarding advice, since some people watching know the deck and matchup very well. He receives said advice, and the cards he then boards in are integral in winning the match. Do you guys view this as okay?
I'd really like to receive an answer in regards to this. Thanks in advance!
I'd personally love to see streaming change to where players do not interact with the crowd during the game. My hope is that WOTC pushes things in that direction.
Try reading the chat for any popular stream for ten minutes, and you'll be a lot less concerned about this.
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 1:32PM
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Date Joined:
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Try reading the chat for any popular stream for ten minutes, and you'll be a lot less concerned about this.
I don't become less concerned about outside assistance because most of the people offering advice are terrible at Magic. I don't become less concerned about deck stacking because most people don't have the skill to make it work. I don't become less concerned about someone shooting a gun at me because most people have bad aim and will probably miss. Even if only the truly awful were doing these things, I'd still be against them. Regardless, you will in fact often see MTG professionals offering advice in streams. That does not make me less concerned.
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