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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 1:18PM
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I was browsing through the Release Queues chat while waiting for my round to start and noticed this sequence about streaming live events: 12:58 PM Some.User: Anyone interested in watching a live m13 draft strem? Pm me. 12:59 PM ORC_Xxxxxxx: Streaming events live is against Code of Conduct and the Terms of Service. I thought it was common for some big-name players to stream their events. Does the ORC know what they're talking about?
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 1:58PM
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I was browsing through the Release Queues chat while waiting for my round to start and noticed this sequence about streaming live events:
12:58 PM Some.User: Anyone interested in watching a live m13 draft strem? Pm me.
12:59 PM ORC_Xxxxxxx: Streaming events live is against Code of Conduct and the Terms of Service.
I thought it was common for some big-name players to stream their events. Does the ORC know what they're talking about?
I wonder if the ORC is right and this is another case of "official" stance vs overlooking violations that are popular. (IE: you can't talk about it?)
Winter.Wolf
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 5:39PM
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Something being commonly done doesn't mean that it's allowed.
Why wouldn't you read the linked documents and decide for yourself if it's allowed or not?
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 6:14PM
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Why wouldn't you read the linked documents and decide for yourself if it's allowed or not?
I have read the linked documents. They don't mention streaming (or broadcasting) anyplace, nor anything that I can interpret as related to streaming. Did you spot something that I didn't?
Reading the CoC or ToS and deciding for yourself if something is in violation of the rules can be a risky. It doesn't matter how you interpret these things, its WotC that decides and carries out the punishment where they believe it is warranted.
Asking in these forums is usually a good way to get a response from WotC that I'd trust more than something coming from an ORC.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 6:31PM
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Theoretically, you can stream as long as you don't get assistance from the people watching the feed. In practice, I don't know that anyone is all that careful about it and WotC employees share and promote streaming links along with everyone else. I"m going to kick this upstairs for an [O]fficial answer, but right now I'd say the ORC is just annoyed about the advertising rather than the stream.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 11:25PM
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...I"m going to kick this upstairs for an [O]fficial answer...
Thanks, just what I was hoping for!
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10 months ago ::
Aug 06, 2012 - 1:43AM
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I don't think they care about streaming random dailies or queues, but someone did get in trouble for streaming a PTQ once. I think they crack down on streaming the bigger tournaments.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 06, 2012 - 5:04AM
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It'd be odd if streaming is against the rules, since people have always been able to watch paper Magic players play. The video coverage we have of paper events now is just like MTGO streams, with the exception that streamers tend to interact heavily with stream viewers. The only thing that should be frowned upon is when streamers ask for (or don't, but still accept) assistance from viewers. I've watched just about every major stream, and every single one of them regularly does this. Since that's pure and unambiguous cheating, I'm kind of surprised WOTC hasn't dropped the hammer yet. They'd have to drop it on Kibler, Sam Black, and other big names, though, which is probably why they haven't done anything.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 10:04PM
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It'd be odd if streaming is against the rules, since people have always been able to watch paper Magic players play. The video coverage we have of paper events now is just like MTGO streams, with the exception that streamers tend to interact heavily with stream viewers.
The only thing that should be frowned upon is when streamers ask for (or don't, but still accept) assistance from viewers. I've watched just about every major stream, and every single one of them regularly does this. Since that's pure and unambiguous cheating, I'm kind of surprised WOTC hasn't dropped the hammer yet. They'd have to drop it on Kibler, Sam Black, and other big names, though, which is probably why they haven't done anything.
They're getting free advertising for their program. It's not going to get shut down any time soon. Plus, is it even against the rules of MTGO to receive outside assistance? It's obviously completely unenforceable, so it probably shouldn't even be in there. So long as the person whose name is on the account is actually doing the physical playing, it shouldn't be a violation.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 08, 2012 - 5:22AM
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It'd be odd if streaming is against the rules, since people have always been able to watch paper Magic players play. The video coverage we have of paper events now is just like MTGO streams, with the exception that streamers tend to interact heavily with stream viewers.
The only thing that should be frowned upon is when streamers ask for (or don't, but still accept) assistance from viewers. I've watched just about every major stream, and every single one of them regularly does this. Since that's pure and unambiguous cheating, I'm kind of surprised WOTC hasn't dropped the hammer yet. They'd have to drop it on Kibler, Sam Black, and other big names, though, which is probably why they haven't done anything.
They're getting free advertising for their program. It's not going to get shut down any time soon. Plus, is it even against the rules of MTGO to receive outside assistance? It's obviously completely unenforceable, so it probably shouldn't even be in there. So long as the person whose name is on the account is actually doing the physical playing, it shouldn't be a violation.
So you're fine playing a 1v1025 game in the finals of a PTQ? Neat! I'm not! I'm also not a fan of doing that in any sanctioned event. From what I've read, MTGO follows the DCI floor rules, so outside assistance is not allowed on MTGO. It'd be pretty ridiculous if it was since they have PTQs online.
Growing pot in your closet is just as "unenforcable" as getting outside assistance during a game. Most people who do it don't get caught. Plenty of morons get arrested after posting videos on Youtube of their closet gardens, though. Stream cheating is the same thing. WOTC just isn't cracking down for some reason. Sure, they can't stop all cheating ever, but the fact that you can't stop all cheaters should not prevent you from stopping every cheater that you find out about.
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