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2 years ago  ::  May 20, 2011 - 12:23PM #31
Troy_Costisick
Date Joined: May 22, 2009
Posts: 5
While I would definately prefer a format that was Masques and 7th Edition to Present, I can see some real advantages to 8thE and on.

1. It makes a format that would definately be distinct from Legacy and so not infringe on it as much.
2. It eliminates numerous potentially problematic cards like Dark Ritual, Brainstorm, Mind's Desire, and Counterspell.
3. Judges can easily assess format legality by looking at the card frames.

There are some drawbacks, though.

1. 8th on is basically what Extended was when no one liked it or played it.  Why would this be different?
2. You miss out on really fun and interesting cards like Land Grant, Misdirection, Mogg Salvage, Artifact Mutation, Daze, and Stifle.
3. Without Allied Fetches, deck contruction requires more acrobatics than players are normally comfortable with in Eternal formats.

I like the idea of Modern.  I like the idea of OverExtended from Masks onward better.  I'd play either happily, especially if they were supported with Grand Prixs and PTQs.  Thank you for testing the waters at least to see if a new Eternal format would spark interest.

Peace,

-Troy
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2 years ago  ::  May 20, 2011 - 12:28PM #32
lvl10cpu
Date Joined: Oct 3, 2010
Posts: 75
I love the sound of the Modern Format and hope that this will be something that will reach the paper card game tournaments too. Personally, I'm ok with the current Extended, but one cannot deny that there is a Huge gap between Extended and Legacy. There are so many cards that people have been wanting to build with but cannot due to the fact that Extended is just too few in blocks and legacy is just too fast of a format for most other cards to be viable. I believe that Modern can be that middle ground. The current ban list is shaky, agreed, as it is based primarily off of past experinces from other formats and assumptions on WOTC part, but in time it will be formally finalized when people start playing the format and understanding which decks are best.

I also hope that Wizards will be able to give in to supply and demand by printing "staple cards" for this format, as there is nothing on the reserved list they have to worry about. Event Decks and From the Vault series have been excelent for suppling cards to various formats, and hopefully they will be smart enough to something of the same effect for Modern. I can't wait to try this at my local card shop, and I'm sure many people will agree.

/Rant
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2 years ago  ::  May 20, 2011 - 12:48PM #33
KuromanKuro
Date Joined: Jul 28, 2009
Posts: 18
Modern (If made a permanent, GP/PT format) could be a great format enjoyed by everyone between Casual and Pro. It could have powerful decks like caw-blade, jund, faeries, and Affinity all being smashed by some new decks that couldn't exist in any other format for legality or power reasons. Also, if it's an eternal format it will have none of the complaints of Standard or Extended.
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2 years ago  ::  May 20, 2011 - 1:03PM #34
Thran_Golem
Date Joined: Oct 15, 2010
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I love the idea of modern - I've always wanted to get into an eternal format, but the initial fee is just way too high for my budget. I would personally prefer if it started in Masques block, but having only 8th edition frames would make checking legality easier.

Either way, if this format has tournament support, I will be playing it.
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2 years ago  ::  May 20, 2011 - 3:30PM #35
Devils-Advocate
Date Joined: Jun 14, 2009
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This is actually one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time! As someone who doesn't have the disposable income to keep up to date with standard or the new extended, or to buy Legacy staples, this format would get me back into the game on a regular basis, and I doubt I'm the only person who feels this way. Of course, any format is going to have its staples, but in this format everything would not only be fair game to reprint, (which would be a huge help) but also of a reasonable power level to be put in an actual set and played in standard, with a few notable exceptions. I would be the happiest Magic fan in the world if this format were to be used for more than just the one event. In fact, if it were to become a supported format, preferably supported at FNM, but I would be willing to go out and find other events, it would be about the best news I've heard in years!
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2 years ago  ::  May 20, 2011 - 5:14PM #36
Milkshake75
Date Joined: Jul 18, 2008
Posts: 68
format looks kinda interesting, no affinity, and no dark depths/vampire hexmage combo going on.  plus with the limitations of the cards, cant wait to see what decks they come up with.
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2 years ago  ::  May 20, 2011 - 9:59PM #37
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Love the idea, I might have an accident in my pants if this turns out to be a sanctioned format. Please Wizards, make it so!
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2 years ago  ::  May 21, 2011 - 1:37AM #38
3gotist
Date Joined: Apr 22, 2009
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This format would absolutely and without question be an amazing improvement over the current Extended. The banned list is wrong though. Chrome Mox doesn't need to be banned, since the format's fastest combo deck (Hypergenesis) can't even play it. Aether Vial should be banned, though, as well as Disciple of the Vault - even if you are banning all of the artifact lands. Golgari Grave Troll probably doesn't need a ban, unless you have plans to reprint Cabal Therapy (P.S. please reprint Cabal Therapy) or Breakthrough. Other than that, it looks about right, and I'd be very excited to see this as a new PTQ format.

The reason Extended has sucked for so long is that the rules regarding its rotation have changed rather abruptly several times over the last few years. First, ONS stayed in a year past its expiry date. Then, we prematurely lost Kamigawa and Ravnica block, followed quite closely by Time Spiral's rotation when many players liked Extended precisely because we were able to play with cards from those three blocks. I know that my interest in Extended - which up until the last change had been my favorite constructed format since I started playing competitive Magic in 2003 - waned completely when I realized that it was now composed of Standard decks that I had truly hated playing with and against for the past few years.

Introducing Modern as a new Eternal format does three things for tournament Magic:

1. Produces an exciting alternative for the dying Extended format.
2. Solves the old Extended format's problem of keeping track of set legality by creating a fixed start-date.
3. Gives people who want to invest in an Eternal format an alternative to Legacy, the barrier to entry of which climbs with every SCG 5K.

Please, Wizards: make this thing real.
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2 years ago  ::  May 21, 2011 - 7:06AM #39
Calavera777
Date Joined: Mar 11, 2009
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May 20, 2011 -- 10:52AM, jantonetz wrote:

Absolutely fantastic idea! In fact I hope you can integrate it into mtgo for deckbuilder so I can start testing the format.




Yeah they really need to do this ASAP. otherwise you will end up playing legacy vs banned cards as no one actually reads what you put in your description.

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2 years ago  ::  May 21, 2011 - 9:08AM #40
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Date Joined: Aug 29, 2009
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It's a superb idea. It needs to be in paper Magic as well.
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