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2 years ago ::
Dec 20, 2009 - 4:44AM
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Date Joined:
Apr 23, 2008
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So what is the deal here? According to the information on the distribution of FOIL promo cards, there are generally 3 tiers of rarity (I'm not talking player rewards) that are of interest in the trading market - Pop 32, Pop 16 and Pop 8 (and the mythical Pop 3) where a Pop 32 would be 32x of an individual card given out at a MOCS such as Figure of Destiny, or Alt. Art Cryptic Command etc. The Pop 8's were generally the Rav. foil Alt. Arts... Pop 3. was the 3x (4 if you count Bob's) foil Dirtcowl wurm distributed for the stronghold deck contest...
However, this has all changed. I just saw 5x foil Dirtcowl Wurms on two different bots. I have also seen more than 8 of certain Pop 8's and Pop 16's now all over the bots. Was there a recent event that pooped out foil promo cards? This absolutely ruins the secondary market on these, and I will not be able to buy/sell them anymore.
WOTC - if you are distributing more foil promo cards, at least have the curtesy to currecty update the promo information website!
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2 years ago ::
Dec 20, 2009 - 6:55AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 10, 2008
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This is only one example of a rather disturbing practise. Wizards please consider your "reprint" policy on MTGO. I really think you are a bit to careless with releasing "new" cards, reprinting older cards and generally do not think enough about the collectibility of your digital items. I know that some couldn't care less but it's enough to know that others do.
As Magic was and hopefully still is considered a collectible card game you better make sure it stays that way.
Reprinted old high value rares as promos, distributing old Avatars freely and actions like this might amuse some folks but is weaking the trust in the market for singles. This along with the lack of transparency regarding those reprints and redistributions make for confusion among collectors and dealers. I would be rather annoyed as dealer to see all my Avatars turn worthless....
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2 years ago ::
Dec 20, 2009 - 7:38AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 21, 2009
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Good thing wotc said before that they don't look at the secondary market an activly try to keep cards high or low. They said that boardered on racketeering.
They care about the registered stores and players. NOT the regular people trying to make money of the game.
The prices of the cards rise and fall. Thats just the nature of this game, always has been. Nothing much new to see here. When one falls , another will rise.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 20, 2009 - 8:13AM
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Date Joined:
Apr 30, 2004
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First, they did announce they were giving 1x of each foil tempest block foil (dirtcowl, revenant, hound) to each champs participant here: www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.a...So that was known for awhile, and people prepared and immediately sold their's to bots right after the event as they knew the price would drop a lot with another 60~ in the system. Second, I'll just quote myself from the momir payout thread as it applies to the promo situation here: Yea, I saw that payout and the first thing that came to mind was "Do I need to sell all my avatars now?".
After thinking for awhile, I realized I don't care. I've now accepted that wotc and the players have given up that this game has any collectibility. Cards are mostly worthless unless they're in a current tournament deck, wizards keeps releasing more and more oop product, and releasing the same promos over and over.
And you know what? I'm fine with it. I knew when I started to play online (back at judgments release) that any money I put into this game I was never going to see again. I like collecting and I like playing magic. I will continue to do both even if my entire collection drops to zero value.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 20, 2009 - 8:26AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 19, 2008
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They care about the registered stores and players. NOT the regular people trying to make money of the game.
Registered stores? Could you explain that a little more? Collectors are very different from "people trying to make money of the game." To many, it is a collectible card game and when actions damage collectability, that is a concern over intended consumers of the game.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 20, 2009 - 10:58AM
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to broaden this from just the rarer and higher priced promo cards, i remember my suspicions about the other early promo cards that might see reprinting/rerelease as part of the mtgo player rewards program. i did not like it it then and still dont. i used to try to collect all of the promo cards, no matter the expense. however, as i've seen a few i paid good money for get rereleased as rewards cards, i have since lost any interest. it just doesnt make sense to pay for something that you may be able to get for free a lil later with some patience. the thing that really bothered me was WoTC's attitude about offering the cards again - it destroyed my faith in these cards as collectible objects.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 20, 2009 - 4:06PM
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ummmm yeah if you havent realized this by now, these digital objects really have no value. I f you are trying to make money best get out while you can. WotC has stated on multiple occasions that they dont really pay attention to the secondary market, so any concerns of them helping keep price steady..lol well just throw those out the window. Best you can do is sell what you want to make money off of and go for it.
I like fun, but competitive decks. So I might not play what is optimal but they have normally been tested to have a 2/3 winrate.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 20, 2009 - 5:21PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 31, 2004
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LOL - Because paper cards never get devalued when WoTC decides to re-release them
Oh no... it's because they are DIGITAL that they have no value.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 20, 2009 - 5:33PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 20, 2009
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actually older cards in paper due tend towards holding more value because they have more classic art and there are more people willing to get the "Original"...there arent really those purposes online. Especially not considering you can edit your own card art anyways.
An example is Hypnotic Specter
Alpha and Beta prices-39.99
Magic 2010- 3.49
Older cards offline due tend to hold value. However this also has to do with the relative scarcity of older sets, but some attention should be paid to variant artworks as well.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 20, 2009 - 10:06PM
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Date Joined:
Nov 29, 2007
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Besides the Dirtcowl Wurms, I think there were more than 16 or 32 copies of the other foils released. Cryptic Command, even when it was new, was only worth about 10 tix. I see them in bots all the time. And I mean plural. If only 32 copies of the card exist then I shouldn't be able to walk up to a random bot and buy one. Figure of Destiny - I just saw him available, too. Though I don't see nearly as many FoDs for sale. Something to keep in mind when it comes to digital cards. There is such a thing as "out of print" status. However, back as far as v1 even, Wizards said that they reserved the right to reissue product of any set, but never to exceed 5% of what that set originally sold in any given year. What this means is, imagine all the MVW that sold. Now imagine 5% of that unknown amount. That's the amount of MVW that Wizards can "print" each calendar year. The reason for reserving the right to reissue any card is obviously because they hate the reserved list. Online, they're free of that. Furthermore online we can (theoretically) do nifty things like Ice Age block constructed or Urza's Saga sealed (soon). In paper, MVW draft is a dead dead dead format. But thanks to MTGO someone who started in Ravnica can now learn how to evaluate Sandbar Crocodile  in a Limited environment. Which is very cool. It's like the history of Magic preserved in playable form forever. But that also means that people will be cracking fresh Null Rods forever, too. When ME3 leaves the store I bet there will be ME1-2-3 nix packs events. And that means printing more "out of print" copies of Force of Will  and Taiga  .
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