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Death of Vanguard
3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2009 - 10:31AM #1
tempesteye
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Here is the link to the Blog post


 


I haven't played Van in over a year and a half. Will it really be missed?

Guess what? Chicken butt.

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2009 - 10:41AM #2
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Long overdue, IMO.


Too bad, too.  Vanguard had so much potential - but it needed a lot more support (B&R style) than it was getting.


 


Edit:  The bigger disappointment is that they're using its spot for a rather bland format

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2009 - 10:54AM #3
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Until this day I had high hopes for casual vanguard, it had so much you could do with it, and allowed for an entirely different version of Magic.  I am very disappointed that they won't be supporting Vanguard at all, by printing useless avatars from now on, instead of just stopping tournament support.

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2009 - 11:50AM #4
Michelob
Date Joined: Apr 19, 2004
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i only played this format a couple times so this announcement doesnt hurt my feelings at all.  i just wish they would put their energy for creating new formats to getting leagues up and going!

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2009 - 12:19PM #5
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I think it's a little premature to say that Vanguard is dead.  In a coma perhaps!  In terms of the tournament scene.  And I can understand why WOTC wants to transfer tournament support to a different format.  However, as a casual player, I sort of resent the implication that something that is casual is a "dead format".  And yes, I read the part where they are going to discontinue Vanguard avatars.  This still doesn't mean that Vanguard is dead.  Unless they remove every Vanguard avatar from the system--then I'd call it dead.  At this point, should the player population shift again, WOTC still has the ability to provide tournament support.  As to the not making of more V avatars, I'm a little disappointed but I can happily play with the ones that do exist.  It will be like playing with cards from Invasion or any other set.  There's a limited number of cards in any set and Wizards doesn't add extra cards to a set 5 years later.  I know Vanguard wasn't designed as a "card set", but perhaps that's a good way to think about it. 

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2009 - 1:58PM #6
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Vanguard was alive?  Could have fooled me, as the only time I've played it in recent memory was a single game when one of the WotC folk was gunslinging in it.  I'm sure there's a group that will miss it as a tourney format, but that group can't be very large...

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2009 - 11:13PM #7
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Sep 5, 2009 -- 10:31AM, tempesteye wrote:


Here is the link to the Blog post


 


I haven't played Van in over a year and a half. Will it really be missed?




Yes dead. No not missed.


I could care less about anything an avatar offers me, other than cool art. I think we need more cool avatar art, similiar to stuff you can earn on these boards.

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2009 - 10:53AM #8
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Vanguard challenge has fired every weekend without fail.  In contrast, Kaleidoscope failed to fire the last two weekends.  So if a format were to get the ax, it should have been Kaleidoscope.  Another great example of WotC logical decision making.  (Oh wait, I was just called a fanboy, should not be making comments like that).


Vanguard is actually my favorite format.  I will miss it a lot Frown

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2009 - 4:36PM #9
Zimbardo
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Vanguard wasn't helped by the puzzling decision to make avatars legal only if the actual card is in standard at the time.  That was just weird. 

The main thing that turned me off of Vanguard was not wanting to spend the cash to keep up on a tournament playable standard collection.  Playing standard is expensive.  I'll give the new singleton format a shot, since I plan to accumulate 1x of the good stuff in standard for 100 singleton anyway.

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2009 - 11:49PM #10
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I have always thought of vanguards as the avatars to represent me in game. Don't really play the Vanguard format except a few Momir games. So makes no diff to me and I will continue to collect new avatars for the art.


60 card singleton is cool. I think it should replace 100 card singleton as well. 100 singleton decks are just too hard to make and take too much time. I think there will be more people playing singleton if you only need to put together 60 cards for a deck.

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