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11 months ago  ::  Aug 01, 2012 - 12:17AM #1581
niteshade6581
Date Joined: May 12, 2012
Posts: 15

Jun 18, 2012 -- 9:01PM, Telir wrote:

Jun 18, 2012 -- 8:18PM, niteshade6581 wrote:

Ive played magic for years mtgo for 6 months. Shuffler has been a disapointment. Myself and a group of us know longer draft or purchase ANY magic [roduct now. The local store has not had enough people for a sanctioned draft in weeks. Fix shuffler and we will be back simple as that. Its the opposite as Mirrodin block, wizards destroyed a deck that wasnt winning just to get people back playing. Here they have an issue they can fix easily that is a real issue. Its up to them whether they want to let stores close or not.




What on earth are you talking about?? What does shuffling have to do with stores closing? *confuseled*





the fact that 80% of the local customer base has stopped playing the game is where store closure comes in. I am still friends with the owners of the local store and their turnout hs dropped by 80% since myself (and my suppotive friends) stopped using any WOC product. Hell its been 2 months since I even cared enough to look at the forum to answer your question.

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 01, 2012 - 8:10AM #1582
nushae
Date Joined: Mar 20, 2003
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80% eh. Empirically determined and not at all subjective.
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 01, 2012 - 10:05AM #1583
ProtossX
Date Joined: Aug 9, 2007
Posts: 255
So this guys mad about MTGO shuffler so he quits playing at his local store, what does that have to do with shuffler if anything wouldn't you wanna play more at the store instead of online so you can shuffle yourself?


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11 months ago  ::  Aug 01, 2012 - 10:15AM #1584
Captain_Kidney
Date Joined: Jan 31, 2003
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Aug 1, 2012 -- 10:05AM, ProtossX wrote:

So this guys mad about MTGO shuffler so he quits playing at his local store, what does that have to do with shuffler if anything wouldn't you wanna play more at the store instead of online so you can shuffle yourself?






Yeah...I'm having trouble understanding that myself.

The logic does not track.

Illogical...illogical...illogical...error...errrrorr...malllfunnnnction...

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 04, 2012 - 6:52AM #1585
silentbobus
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2009
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Since no one has done out the test statistic for the starting hands, it works out to be 1.01 over 816 samples.
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 31, 2012 - 3:36AM #1586
Sleeping
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2011
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The randomizer should use one of these. :3
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 31, 2012 - 4:38AM #1587
silentbobus
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2009
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Oct 31, 2012 -- 3:36AM, Sleeping wrote:

The randomizer should use one of these. :3




That would be the easiest way to ensure it was random.

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 23, 2012 - 5:49PM #1588
ZombieInvasion
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2009
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Where is the data from a time the shuffler has been tested? I'd like to look at that  data. 

I've noticed personally in drafts with 40 card decks running 17 land if you keep a 5 land hand I draw a land turn 1. It happens to me far far more often then 12 out of  33 times, it happens nearly every single time. 

It could just be bad luck, but I'd very  much like to see the shuffler testing data to calm myself. The ORC in MTGO pointed me to this thread, but I don't see any data in this thread. Where can I get access to it? 
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 23, 2012 - 6:04PM #1589
silentbobus
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2009
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Nov 23, 2012 -- 5:49PM, ZombieInvasion wrote:

Where is the data from a time the shuffler has been tested? I'd like to look at that  data. 

I've noticed personally in drafts with 40 card decks running 17 land if you keep a 5 land hand I draw a land turn 1. It happens to me far far more often then 12 out of  33 times, it happens nearly every single time. 

It could just be bad luck, but I'd very  much like to see the shuffler testing data to calm myself. The ORC in MTGO pointed me to this thread, but I don't see any data in this thread. Where can I get access to it? 




When I tested this issue myself I found that I drew a land as the first draw 48 out of 100 times after keeping a hand of 5 lands, 2 spells in a 17 land, 23 spell deck. I tried testing this again and so far I've drawn more lands as first draws than spells. This issue cannot however, be reproduced in the Solitare room.

So, getting back to your observations, it is unlikely that it is really happening nearly every single time, but quite possible it is happening more often than not, which is far more often than the expected 12 out of 33 times.

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2012 - 7:36PM #1590
silentbobus
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2009
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I think this picture makes a compelling arguement against the "Mana Short is helpful for Recruting New Players" Meme. Yeah, he didn't even finish out the tournament.

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