WotC_Mike wrote:

Well, as you may know, TSR went bankrupt, and one of the main reasons it did is that they tried to be everything to everybody. They tried to support too many different play styles and offered too many products which made too many smaller groups and ended with none of them profitable.

I know that now because I work here and learned about economics of scale, development and printing costs, and so on.

I'm still sad that we don't make Spelljammer stuff anymore but I finally had to admit, that while I was part of a fervent community, it only represented a small part of the whole.

I look forward to your thoughts on the multiple room suggestion and other similar resource-level ideas.

Thanks!

I agree that you can offer too many choices and dilute the groups into non-profitability, but you can also offer too few choices and drive customers away.

The players that argue for 2hg to be a team game in every sense of the word really are the minority. You can see it easily enough by all the complaints about players teamdecking.

That being said I want them to be able to play the way they want to play. I am just unwilling to let them force the rest of us to play their way.

The only solution to that problem that I see is two seperate rooms. Now if one room fails it fails. At least we get to see where the majority really are.

The following is all conjecture and blatant opinionation:

The two room idea is bad at this point in time, as there are too few players in the existing MP room as is. Also, I would like to point out that most decks being played in the current MP room are hardly tournament worthy. And, while the original opinion of this thread in particular is a limited view, it merits pointing out that "teamed" decks don't qualify as tournament tech either. Babying a small portion of the room won't get the desired effect.

Also, while it's in my mind, I want to address the OP's repeated comments about CerealKillaz in particular. Firstly, as we currently have 200+ (very) active members, and the MP room usually contains ~200 players, yes you will be playing against our members often. Secondly, we DO encourage team strategies. We even have a large population of members who are using our voice server during games. Do some of our members chat between games and post on our website about making teamed interlacing strategic decks? YES, yes this happens, a lot. That is why we have people joining our clan daily, to be part of a family of like minded players. We often sit at our own clannies tables and duke it out. How else are we going to get better? Playing random people with random decks? Not hardly. Yes, we play hard. Is that cheating in any way? Not hardly.

Gotta run for now, I'll check in later.

RUNCH wrote:

Ok, your original post was about "teamed" play right? Now, maybe I'm reading into your latest post too much, but when you say "and some P he picked up", I'm inclined to think he sat with a "random" partner. AND, what does "mouth" have to do with the original debate? I'm not saying trash talk is good or bad, but it truly wasn't part of this discussion. Also, I'm willing to wager, you started whining like a 5 year old about their deck choices which led to their less than complimentary retorts. I have no info on this match, I'm just doing that horrible "assuming" thing based on what you've demonstrated on this thread.

Did you take the advice given here? By that I mean, did you make your own table and label it "no teamed or complimentary" decks, or "no counter, discard, LD, combo, T1 2 or 3, etc...."?

Again, I must suggest joining a clan of like minded players, that way you know that everyone involved will be playing on equal terms.

AND, as I've thought about this subject and discussed it with my peers, we agreed on a key idea regarding 2hg. It is the "random" players that are in the wrong. 2hg is a partnered format (i.e. teamed) and it's just now coming back to what it is supposed to be and not vice versa. I have to say your whole argument, especially based on your latest post, is more likely based on ineptitude and immaturity that on the actual team play you protest against. I would strongly suggest (besides joining a clan) you hang out in the new players room until you get a better feel for the game.

Good luck in your quest to become a Magic player.

First off, I never whine. Second your mother is a smelly goat's ballistica. Get my point there? His P, is the same guy he's been playing with for days now. When he started talking trash after it was clear he was going to win, he started running his mouth about how CK rules. Ok, a little gloating I can take, but this was riddiculaus. Look, its not just about CK, when some obviously 13 or 14 year kid starts running his mouth because he ran a team deck, it gets old. ck isn't the only ones who do this, but when I asked his captain's name, he laughed. I was actually playing with another CK member on my team, and even he was appauled at his behavior. He appologized up and down about this kid's behavior. He (the kid) has been blocked.

I'm 41, I've probably been playing magic since you were in diappers, so drop the all high and mighty routine. You don't have to be tea and cookies nice, but don't be a total choob. Because you're CK doesn't give you a license to be a jackazz, or does it? Do you get official jackazz cards with membership? Again, get my point? Muselix will be contacted btw.

All CK players have been banned by me. Lets see if I can find a game now.