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3 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 4:00AM
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Jul 15, 2011
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suppose i have a transmogrifying licid  , and i activate its ability and its ability resolves. then the game is restarted with a karn liberated  . can i pay  to end the effect of the licid's ability, within the new game?
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3 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 4:17AM
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Oct 29, 2007
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no, it won't have any effect on it because...
1) it was exiled or
2) it was shuffled into someone's library
the effect ended the moment it became exiled or otherwise left the battlefield
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3 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 4:20AM
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Oct 18, 2009
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suppose i have a transmogrifying licid , and i activate its ability and its ability resolves.
then the game is restarted with a karn liberated .
can i pay to end the effect of the licid's ability, within the new game?
How so? The Licid will be shuffled into the library just like most cards from the old game. The effect ended when that game ended, the effect doesn't even exist anymore within the new game. Maybe your problem is with the "non-Aura permanent" part in Karn's ability. Read it fully: "non-Aura permanent cards exiled with Karn Liberated" is talking about permanent cards in Exile (not permanents on the 'field), that were exiled by Karn's first two abilities. If Karn exiled an aura card, that card is shuffled back into the library just like most other cards; non-aura permanent cards he exiled stay exiled then enter the field as the new game starts. IF Karn exiles your Licid, the Licid's effect ends at this point and it becomes an artifact creature card (non-aura) in exile, so it will return to the battlefield as an artifact creature (non-aura) in the new game.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 5:56AM
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Apr 12, 2012
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When you use Karn's ability, the game ends and a new one starts. It's a legit end-of-game, not some weird rules trickery.* You can't pay to end the licid's abilty after that for the same reason you can't do it between games in a match. *There are quite a few weird rules things that come along with it, but the game actually does end. Nothing carries over except for what Karn explicitly tells you to bring.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 5:25PM
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Jul 15, 2011
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alright, a new question, just so i'm clear. suppose i make my licid into an enchantment. and then someone disenchant  s it. (clarification: the disenchant resolves). can i still pay after this to end the effect of the licid's ability?
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3 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 5:29PM
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Jul 28, 2010
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not the way you said it you can do it in response to Disenchant  , but not after it already resolved
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3 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 5:31PM
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Jul 15, 2011
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oh! this surprises me. can someone explain to me why this is so? because the way i understood it, the licid's ability is a continuous effect that lasts indefinately. i don't understand why it ends just because the object it's talking about stops becoming an enchantment (or, in this case, stops existing)? ------ question #3 suppose i activate my licid's ability, and then in response, i untap it. i let the untap ability resolve, and then i activate my licid's ability again. what happens after both abilities resolve? are there two special actions (of paying ) from which i can choose? after choosing one of them, does the other one end?
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3 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 5:34PM
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Jul 28, 2010
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for the same reason your creatures don't get +1/+1 anymore after I Disenchant your Glorious Anthem  it enchants the creature you chose for the first activation you have to pay  to end the effect
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3 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 5:36PM
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Mar 30, 2011
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Why what is so? The licid has an ability that lets you end the duration of the type-changing effect. If you respond to Disenchant by ending the effect that makes it an enchantment, then Disenchant doesn't have a legal target and gets countered. Why would the ability say "Pay to end this effect" if it intended the effect to last indefinitely?
And if you apply 2 of the same effect, then they will both apply. If you end one of them by paying 1, you still have the other one applying, and will have to pay another 1 to end that as well.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 5:36PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 15, 2011
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in the case of glorious anthem, the giving my creatures +1/+1 is a continuous ability generated by a static ability. once the object with the static ability is gone from the battlefield, the continuous ability is gone, too.
but with the licid, i'm seeing the continuous effect generated by the activated ability as lasting indefinitely, not tied to the object that generated it, nor tied to whatever happens to the object the effect is talking about.
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