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2 months ago ::
Mar 19, 2013 - 9:17PM
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Mar 19, 2013
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I'm having a game with my son and I primarily use older cards from the 'revised' edition. So every once in awhile he uses new cards that I'm not familiar with and which leads to disagreements sometimes. I'm sure this is simple but I can't find clarification.
I'm attacking with a couple of creatures which are 1/1, he's not blocking but is using a red enchantment card, "Circle of Flame". It deals 1 damage to attacking non-flying creatures. I told him since he isn't blocking my damage is assigned first then his enchantment card kicks in and destroys my 1/1 attacking creatures. He feels that my creatures are dead from the flame first and therefore there is no damage taken by him.
Thanks for any help!
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2 months ago ::
Mar 19, 2013 - 9:18PM
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Jul 28, 2010
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Circle of Flame  all your 1/1 are dead before blockers are even declared, they'll die as soon as you declare them as attackers they won't get a chance to deal damage to him
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2 months ago ::
Mar 19, 2013 - 9:19PM
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they are dead first (assuming they are 1 toughness)
the trigger occurs when they are declared as attackers, before blockers are declared and before combat damage happens
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2 months ago ::
Mar 19, 2013 - 9:19PM
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Sep 17, 2005
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I'm having a game with my son and I primarily use older cards from the 'revised' edition. So every once in awhile he uses new cards that I'm not familiar with and which leads to disagreements sometimes. I'm sure this is simple but I can't find clarification.
I'm attacking with a couple of creatures which are 1/1, he's not blocking but is using a red enchantment card, "Circle of Flame". It deals 1 damage to attacking non-flying creatures. I told him since he isn't blocking my damage is assigned first then his enchantment card kicks in and destroys my 1/1 attacking creatures. He feels that my creatures are dead from the flame first and therefore there is no damage taken by him.
Thanks for any help!
Your son is correct. The Circle of Flame triggers after you declare your attackers, and before any blockers are declared or damage is dealt. If you attack with a 1/1 it will die before your opponent needs to decide to block it or not.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 19, 2013 - 10:58PM
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Jun 21, 2006
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I told him since he isn't blocking my damage is assigned first then his enchantment card kicks
The Combat Phase does not «flow» from attack to damage; there are several steps, with pauses in between each.
The Combat Phase as a whole is split in five Steps:
1) Beginning of Combat Step
2) Declare Attackers Step
3) Declare Blockers Step
4) Combat Damage Step
5) End of Combat Step
Get a few hints here:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
You may also check the Basic Rulebook, or go for the Comprehensive Rules and look up rule #506:
www.wizards.com/magic/TCG/Resources.aspx...
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Sounds familiar?
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2 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 6:53AM
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I agree with the above people, I just want to point out you're probably used to effects like Thicket Basilisk  which specifically state "...at end of combat." on the card. There is no such timing clause on Circle of Flame so its ability triggers when attackers are declared. To some extent, stuff more prevalently worked like Thicket Basilisk back in the day and to some extent Circle of Flame represents more "the new style". Even the more recent basilisks have improved. Look at Sylvan Basilisk  and/or Greater Basilisk  both are still bad for the most part, but better than Thicket Basilisk was because the timing of when they kill stuff is now better.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 6:40PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 19, 2013
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Excellent! I want to thank all of you for your help!
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