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Mar 19, 2013 -- 2:56PM, SimonGlume wrote:

Mar 19, 2013 -- 2:42PM, Rush_Clasic wrote:

Mar 19, 2013 -- 2:38PM, SimonGlume wrote:

So, everybody is cool with white taking on red and green keywords now?

I am in the confines of attacking and blocking creatures. White loves (1) combat and (2) messing with attacks. That it does it in the realm of fighting doesn't make much difference. It's like asking it white should get direct damage to attacking creatures. 

So... this (non-entry) makes sense? Spoiler: Show

Finger of Justice
Instant
Target blocking creature gains deathtouch until end of turn.

I could see it working, but I also think it has an entirely different feel. Fight as a mechanic deals with forced clashes. White doesn't pick fights necessarily that often (which is one reason the mechanic is red/green), but it'll fight harder than any color to defend itself. But deathtouch is just a word for "poisonous/venomous", but with a broader spectrum. It's a natural thing to green and black's nature, not white. That's the difference, really.

Mar 19, 2013 -- 4:32PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

OHMYGOSHIWONAGAIN_^sortof
YAAAAAAAAAAAAY 

I can't vote for Heroic Stand because it doesn't work.
A fight is between either one or two creatures.
To work it either needs to use Alpha Brawl template or fight each creature in sequence. 

Hunh. I wonder why they didn't just use fight on alpha brawl. The rules are well within bounds to deal with it; if a creature fights every other creature, it has the same effect as alpha brawl. I suppose it might be difficult to understand otherwise, but the way the rules are written, it should work fine as a succession of individual fights.

My approach in YMtC with cards that would require small obvious expansions to the rules is to assume those changes would happen as the card is printed. This means I have no problem with Heroic Stand (because fighting multiple creatures is a easy fix) but I do with the Ooze (since countering permanents without being able to target them seems either useless or would require a non-obvious change to the rules).

Mar 19, 2013 -- 4:42PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

I dunno, but a Fight is defined as two or one creatures, damage dealt simultaneously.
Alpha Brawl does not do this, ergo, it is not a fight. 

There is some ambiguity in the damage procedure that would need to be fixed. You could read Heroic Stand as dealing damage equal to its power and dividing it among the other creatures, or read it as getting into individual fights with each of those creatures. I suppose that's enough confusion to make the long version of Alpha Brawl worthwhile. But that's the only real barrier I see. The rules are only clarifying that creatures fight one-on-one, not that they can't pick multiple fights at once.

Mar 19, 2013 -- 4:49PM, tyranno6 wrote:

My approach in YMtC with cards that would require small obvious expansions to the rules is to assume those changes would happen as the card is printed. This means I have no problem with Heroic Stand (because fighting multiple creatures is a easy fix) but I do with the Ooze (since countering permanents without being able to target them seems either useless or would require a non-obvious change to the rules).

Ya, I missed the whole targeting step altogheter when I made it. Something about posting fast in the ABC thread.