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2 months ago  ::  Mar 19, 2013 - 6:02AM #1
POSValkir1
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Imaginary Fiend            (No Mana Cost)
Creature - Horror
Suspend 1 -
If Imaginary Fiend is in the Exile Zone at the beginning of your upkeep step, target opponent loses 2 life.
Reality is far less frightening than you believe it to be.
3/2



Fiend from the Tales         (no mana cost)
Creature - Horror
Storied 1 - (You may exile this card for its Storied cost.  If this creature would be exiled from anywhere, exile it with a time counter on it.  At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter.  When the last time counter is removed, cast this card without paying its mana cost.)
If Fiend from the Tales is in the Exile Zone at the beginning of your upkeep, target player loses 1 life.
Reality is far less frightening than you believe it to be.
2/1

Can we make this a thing?
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2 months ago  ::  Mar 19, 2013 - 6:05AM #2
cats_and_me
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I don't like what could happen if you manage to exile cards like this forever - for example with Extract - because that removes interaction from the game and prevents opponents from being able to handle them..
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2 months ago  ::  Mar 19, 2013 - 6:42AM #3
POSValkir1
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Pull from Eternity ...

Not to mention it would probably be in a set with an Exile theme.
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2 months ago  ::  Mar 19, 2013 - 6:54AM #4
cats_and_me
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Hey, this "exile zone" wasn't concepted as "sanctuary" where dangerous threats can hide forever! :/ You can't force players to run super-narrow cards that can handle your first-turn Extract for "Imaginary Fiend"..
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2 months ago  ::  Mar 19, 2013 - 8:37AM #5
Astarael7
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Mar 19, 2013 -- 6:02AM, POSValkir1 wrote:

If Imaginary Fiend is in the Exile Zone at the beginning of your upkeep step, target opponent loses 2 life.


"At the beginning of your upkeep, if ~ is suspended, target opponent loses 2 life."

"Whenever a time counter is removed from ~, if it's exiled, target opponent loses 2 life."

Or, if we really must...

"At the beginning of your upkeep, if ~ is exiled, target opponent loses 2 life."

Personally, I very strongly dislike ideas that try to use " Pull from Eternity is a thing that exists" as a reason why its okay to do them.

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2 months ago  ::  Mar 19, 2013 - 8:52AM #6
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Manipulate Fate .

Jan 18, 2012 -- 3:34AM, Imidazoline wrote:

Everything Mown does is elegant.


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2 months ago  ::  Mar 19, 2013 - 8:55AM #7
POSValkir1
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Rest in Peace is pretty narrow... Blind Obedience is pretty narrow...

How do people handle a second turn (or  third if you want to keep the theme of powerful one card combos)  Emrakul ?

You can't condemn this because you found an interaction which is difficult to deal with, especially a concept, and especially when that interaction is only relevant in a limited number of formats.  Foresight is even worse.  Perhaps suggestions on what would make you like it...

Besides, I could easily see its counterpart being created in the set it would be created in:

Divine Savior            (no mana cost)
Creature - Illusion
Suspend 1 -
If Divine Savior is in the Exile Zone at the beginning of your upkeep step, gain 2 life.
"Faith will sustain us."
1/4

Taking your criticism in a more constructive way...what if I do this:

Fiend from the Tales         (no mana cost)
Creature - Horror
Storied 1 - (You may exile this card for its Storied cost.  If this creature would be exiled from anywhere, exile it with a time counter on it.  At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter.  When the last time counter is removed, cast this card without paying its mana cost.)
If Fiend from the Tales is in the Exile Zone at the beginning of your upkeep, target player loses 2 life.
Reality is far less frightening than you believe it to be.
2/1


I also think the idea opens up a new play style for White and Blue similar to Black's graveyard plays.
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2 months ago  ::  Mar 19, 2013 - 8:59AM #8
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Ninja's...or Sarkhan'd I think they say here.

Why not use Pull from Eternity is a thing for defense...there are several cards which interact with the exile zone.  I'm not saying Pull from Eternity exists so this card should too.  I'm saying Pull from Eternity exists, so there is proof that WoTC has at least contemplated expanding interaction with the exile zone.

I feel people on here often forget IF any of these cards were ever created, they would not be a singleton issue, it woul dbe part of a new set...
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2 months ago  ::  Mar 19, 2013 - 9:33AM #9
Astarael7
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Mar 19, 2013 -- 8:59AM, POSValkir1 wrote:

I feel people on here often forget IF any of these cards were ever created, they would not be a singleton issue, it woul dbe part of a new set...


I can't just assume the existance of cards I haven't seen. So I judge cards in relation to what actually exists. Moreover, I don't think that Pull from Eternity should exist, so saying "this is okay because Pull from Eternity exists" is never going to convince me of anything ever.

Specifically, as regards your ideas I like the idea of piggybacking on their suspended status much more. It has precedent, and a larger number of cards would interact with it, both positively and negatively.

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2 months ago  ::  Mar 19, 2013 - 9:42AM #10
POSValkir1
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Mar 19, 2013 -- 9:33AM, Astarael7 wrote:

Specifically, as regards your ideas I like the idea of piggybacking on their suspended status much more. It has precedent, and a larger number of cards would interact with it, both positively and negatively.




Yeah, the instant I redesigned it I liked it better.  Thanks Cats Kiss.

Higher rarity cards could have higher Storied numbers, which make their exiled abilities more relevant... Foresight would indicate Storied 1 should never exist on a creature...

Exile three Fiends, opponent loses 6 life, you have 3 2/1's on the board turn three, thats pretty brutal.  Admittedly less brutal than 6 life down every turn with only Eternity to bank on.

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