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3 months ago  ::  Mar 15, 2013 - 12:37PM #1
Batmann
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i am planning on entering a FNM on a modern constructed night and i was wondering about whether or not duel deck cards are legal, i don't see them on the list of legal sets, but if its a reprint of a currently legal card (its not on the ban list) is it legal?

as an example there is a vampire nighthawk in the "sorin vs tibalt" duel decks, so if i was to enter FNM and i had one M13 vampire nighthawk and one from the "sorin vs tibalt" duel decks both in the same deck, would i be disqualified for breaking the rules? or is it cool as long as its not on a ban list?

may seem like a stupid question but i have never done FNM before and when i go i dont want to lose in technicality.

   
   
   
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 15, 2013 - 12:40PM #2
Enigma256
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if the card is Standard legal you can use the Duel Deck printing
but being printed in the Duel Deck doesn't make it Standard legal

you can use any printing from Vampire Nighthawk as long as it has standard Magic back, standard size and black or white borders (I don't think there is a non-black borders version, but just in case )
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 15, 2013 - 12:43PM #3
cyphern
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Duel deck cards are tournament legal, but which format they can be used in is based on what normal sets they were printed in.

For example, Vampire Nighthawk , is legal in standard because it was printed in Magic 2013. Since it is legal in standard, you can use a copy from Sorin vs Tibalt, a copy from Commander, one from Zendikar, and one from M13 if you so desire. On the other hand, Blazing Salvo is not legal in standard, because it was only printed in Odyssey, and you can not use a duel decks blazing salvo in a standard deck.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 15, 2013 - 12:45PM #4
will_dice
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Only actual sets (from blocks or core sets) determine format legality. Duel Decks are just special products, being printed in one won't change a card's legality.


On the other hand, any printing of a card have the same legality as the others.



So, because Vampire Nighthawk was printed in M13, any other printing of it is playable in Standard and Modern, inclusive the version you own. But things like Ancient Craving or Field of Souls were never printed in a Modern set, so they aren't legal in Modern.



A quick way to check a card's legality is using the oficial site gatherer.wizards.com (all cards links on our posts go there). Search for your cards, then check the "Sets & Legality" tab. Vampire Nighthawk's one:


Format Legality
Modern Legal
Extended Legal
Zendikar Block Legal
Legacy Legal
 Vintage Legal
(the others are from Magic Online so they don't matter)

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3 months ago  ::  Mar 15, 2013 - 12:48PM #5
Enigma256
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Mar 15, 2013 -- 12:45PM, will_dice wrote:

(the others are from Magic Online so they don't matter)


  I take offense!

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3 months ago  ::  Mar 15, 2013 - 12:56PM #6
will_dice
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Mar 15, 2013 -- 12:48PM, Enigma256 wrote:

Mar 15, 2013 -- 12:45PM, will_dice wrote:

(the others are from Magic Online so they don't matter)


  I take offense!



I don't thing his Sorin vs Tibalt cards are playable online


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3 months ago  ::  Mar 15, 2013 - 1:03PM #7
Batmann
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so just check to see if the card i want in my decks other printings have the modern border loayout (not the old 90's border) and then it should be good?

will they put the reprints of cards only from the 90's on the banlist for modern constructed?

also whats the rules for promo cards? same thing?

   
   
   
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 15, 2013 - 1:06PM #8
Enigma256
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you can use old frame cards for Modern or Standard
you can use Giant Growth from Alpha (the very first Magic set) (with Alpha cards you have to use sleeves, however)

promo cards are also legal, as long as they have the standard Magic back, standard size and black or white border
(there are some gold border cards, those are not tournament legal. silver border are Uncards, also not tournament legal)
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 15, 2013 - 1:18PM #9
Batmann
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well the thing on the wizard website says everything from 8th edition and up was legal and so me and my friends assumed that meant basically everything with the modern border.

are you saying that as long as it was printed at one time in one of the expansion or core sets that are listed (8th edition to now) that all printings of it are legal? (provided they are in sleeves?)

i am sorry i am just a little confused buy this and want to make sure i am understanding it correctly.

   
   
   
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 15, 2013 - 1:24PM #10
cyphern
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Mar 15, 2013 -- 1:18PM, Batmann wrote:

well the thing on the wizard website says everything from 8th edition and up was legal and so me and my friends assumed that meant basically everything with the modern border.


Right. If a card was printed in one of the sets from 8th editon onward, it is legal in modern. However, cards with the same name are interchangable, so if a given card is legal in modern, then all printings of that card are legal.

are you saying that as long as it was printed at one time in one of the expansion or core sets that are listed (8th edition to now) that all printings of it are legal? (provided they are in sleeves?)


Yes.

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