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2 months ago ::
Mar 14, 2013 - 1:53AM
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2 months ago ::
Mar 14, 2013 - 5:27AM
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Feb 13, 2013
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I agree with the taking out the Overrun  for removal, Garruk Wildspeaker  should be enough in that area. Swords to Plowshares  works good Selesnya Charm  can work for the larget creatures that you may face. Adding more black gives access to other things like Go for the Throat  / Ultimate Price  / Abrupt Decay  / Putrefy  / Doom Blade  . Personally I would probably replace the Avacyn's Pilgrim  or Birds of Paradise  with Mayor of Avabruck  and depending on what you decide to do with your mana base swap Lingering Souls  for the 3x Increasing Devotion  /1x Midnight Haunting  or 3x Increasing Devotion for 3x Midnight Haunting . You are using tokens to do most things so I would go up to 4x Intangible Virtue  instead of Honor of the Pure  . If you have a sideboard I would put in something like Sundering Growth  to help against Illness in the Ranks  / Curse of Death's Hold  or swap out the last couple of Honor of the Pure for it. I hope this helps GL! 
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2 months ago ::
Mar 14, 2013 - 11:30AM
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Sep 14, 2005
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The best G/W token Gen is Midnight Guard  + Presence of Gond  , it will also be a Win condition for you. I don't like taking out the overruns, but if you use the combo 100 tokens more than make up for it. With the combo you really don't need the Equipment either, unless you really just like them. Also since every creature you have is a 1/1 other than the birds, Sigil Captain  s might be better than the Virtues/honors. mayor may(depending on the situation) be better than the birds, but I think Champion of Lambholt  is better than the mayor.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 14, 2013 - 11:45AM
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Date Joined:
Feb 28, 2011
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spectral procession  is a lil pricy but among the best token spells. Elspeth kinght errant is a bad fit. You dont really need ramp here with so many low cost card, maybe keep 2-4 birds for speed and manafix the swords dont really fit strategy - still powerful but i think your deck would be better simply as tokens+mass boost also use some more green manafix to provide the balck mana abundant growth  great option
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2 months ago ::
Mar 14, 2013 - 8:27PM
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Jun 26, 2012
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spectral procession is a lil pricy but among the best token spells.
Elspeth kinght errant is a bad fit.
You dont really need ramp here with so many low cost card, maybe keep 2-4 birds for speed and manafix
the swords dont really fit strategy - still powerful but i think your deck would be better simply as tokens+mass boost
also use some more green manafix to provide the balck mana abundant growth great option
You tell me to drop the ramp but then tell me to use ramp.
Abundant growth does not get a bonus from township.
The equipment are handy more than you know, if I get it online t3-4 all it takes is 4-5 hits and they are milled out, or if there holding cards there dead. I really just need removal and I still think overrun should go.
The HotP vs IV dont matter pump is pump eather way and thats all I have and no one I know has them.
Sigil Captain I love but I dont knowif it works with all the enchant pumps I have.
and no infinite tokens, that sounds boring to me cause I could just run that and a ass ton of draw.
Mayor of Avabruck I do have 4 of I could make use of him but if he flips when I dont want him to I am boned so i am still unsure of him at this point.
Elspeth 2.0 is bad, unless all my stuff is indestructible already, which has happened and that was a long game, I won but by the skin of my teeth.
I dont see the swords often as I don't have draw, most games its tokens and pump. I would love some spectral procession.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 14, 2013 - 8:49PM
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Aug 27, 2009
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You think you could fit in some nomads' assembly  ? Scatter the seeds  is something worth looking into, same goes for hour of reckoning  and martial coup  . Nullmage shepherd  or aura shards  can help deal with artifacts/enchantments. Glare of subdual  can tap stuff, but isn't quite the removal you need. I wouldn't worry about pump as much as being able to generate more tokens. You have a lot of 1-shot token producers, but no way to consistently poop out tokens. You could use something along the lines of mobilization  and things like mirari's wake  or caged sun  to churn out tons of dudes. If you can be the first person to bounce back from a damnation  , then the better off you'll be. Just some thoughts.
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Control is the key of a mill deck. You should free up your mana as much as possible so that you can respond to whatever your opponent is doing. Having some way to remove threats, both real and percieved, is necessary to survival. Real threats are those that are already on the field, and are something a simple unsummon  or doom blade  can remove. Percieved threats are those that aren't on the field, something a simple duress  or counterspell  can deal with. Controlling the board will allow your mill deck to continuously perform, if you use permanent style mill, that is.
One-Shot Mill spells are something you should avoid. You can toss tome scour  s at your opponent until your hand runs out, but that isn't going to be enough to mill them to death. With 1-shot mill spells, like tome scour , you have to treat them like burn spells. Therefore, the only "good" 1-shot mill spells are sanity grinding  (in the right deck) and mind funeral  . Try to find more permanent styles of milling, like memory erosion  , hedron crab  , and curse of the bloody tome  , so that you don't have to waste your mana each turn doing something that those permanents can do with a single mana/turn investment. Keeping your mana open allows you to respond with control elements.
Traumatize  Rant. Traumatize is a terrible card for a multitude of reasons. First, it costs 5 to cast, which is a large investment for a mill deck. Milling half a library sounds neat, but if you do the math, it really isn't that much. An average 60 card deck starts with drawing 7 cards. Then, barring any draw spells on their end, or ramp on yours, 5 turns will go by, where they draw 5 more cards, leaving 48 in the deck. Unless they had a deck with more than 60 cards, or you ramped it out, the most you'll ever mill with a single Traumatize on turn 5 is 24 cards. That's not too shabby, but hang on, there's more! If they drew any additional cards or if they were milled before turn 5, that number will be much lower. In addition, any more Traumatize's you draw will only mill less and less as the game goes on...which is the point of a mill deck. My whole point on Traumatize is the it is NOT worth the 5 mana investment, not even with haunting echoes  . You can mill more than 24 before turn 5...which you can then cast the echoes.
If you look at a mill deck like a burn deck, you'll notice that it takes longer to win with mill than with burn. For example, lightning bolt  costs 1 and does 3 out of the 20 damage needed to win (barring any lifegain or damage prevention). For mill, that same investment of 1 would have to mill 9 cards out of an average 60 card deck to be the equivilent of lightning bolt . The problem is that there is no mill card that can do that...except hedron crab , over a period of time. The initial investment of 1 will pay off in 3 more land drops to make the crab equal to a bolt. However, the crab nets you more mill beyond those 3 land drops, making it better as the game draws on. Other cards, like curse of the bloody tome , are excellent ways of milling an opponent because the initial investment of   is all you have to pay in order to put your opponent on a clock. All you have to do is stay alive, which is the true goal of a mill strategy.
There are other ideas for mill decks that are specific to certain types of strategies. Combo mill decks can mill an entire player's library out from under them. Secondary mill strategies are usually tied to another strategy, like drowner of secrets  in a merfolk deck, or halimar excavator  in an ally deck. Milling can be done in certain decks that are able to ramp out enough mana to make use of the higher costing mill spells, like using 16 x post  to pay for X on sands of delirium  or for ambassador laquatus  . Multiplayer mill decks are even tougher to build, but can be done. Being a slower environment[/c], it is easier to ramp in multiplayer, allowing for big X spells, like mind grind  , to be useful. Consuming aberration  is another star player. The more straightforward strategy is to use mesmeric orb  and dreamborn muse  while being the only deck at the table that can deal with it  . There are always new strategies coming out with each new set, so check gatherer for any new mill cards that you find to be the most fun for you!
Now you can say that you haven't fallen into the trap that most new players fall into when they build their first mill deck!
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2 months ago ::
Mar 14, 2013 - 11:15PM
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Feb 28, 2011
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there's a huge difference between having several cards providing extra mana to allow you to cast high cost cards fast and then having a few such cards to allow you to cast low-mid cost cards faster. abundant growth isnt ramp but cheap manafix - i dont understand the thing about bonus from gavony - you mean because its not a land? no....but it's a cantrip - it replaces itself in your han so you dont need it to be.
all it takes is 4-5 hits+ that's super slow....especially when compared to casting 3-6 tokens and then making them 3 times bigger. Also swords give opponent worthy targets for spot removal whereas one of the strengths of token is that thoise are usually pretty useless. Swords are still powerful providing protection and damage etc- but they dont benefit or synergize with your spells and most of the time you'd benefit more from token//buff card.
but yes removing 3-4 overruns shouldserve you well espcially if you can replace with swords to plowshares.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 3:48AM
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Pog and guard with parallel lives  and cathar's crusade  let them come in droves and buff themselves.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 5:05AM
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Date Joined:
Feb 13, 2013
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I personally love Mayor of Avabruck , it puts the pressure on an opponent to decide each turn what to do and if he does flip you might lose his bonus for a couple of turns but you gain tokens that he boosts. So for 2 mana he either boosts all your humans or flips, becomes a 3/3 that gives 2/2 wolf tokens that he boosts to up to 3/3 also thats just great value. Pair him in a deck with Avacyn's Pilgrim and it increases his value also making him a decent attacker/blocker and mana fixer. If someone removes Mayor of Avabruck thats one less card you need to worry about later on and quite often you have already had some benefit from him being on the board. I would try playtesting with him and see how you like it!
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2 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 5:23AM
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Mar 31, 2011
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