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You mean that big ugly mess that has been around since the relative dawn of modern man  where people fight over legitmacy and kill over teachers who told them to forgive indescriminately?

Lets all forget that Persia was both the cultural, and intellectual center of the world for pretty much the entire middle ages, or the fact that the entire reason the crusades happened was an attempt to reclaim all of the knowledge and information lost when Europe fell into the dark ages. Oh, and that its also home to one of the oldest known human civilizations.

As a matter of fact, many scholars and historians believe that if it weren't for Genghis Khan and his Mongol army invading that area of the world (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Gaza, Palestine, and even into parts of Turkey) that the vast majority of the world would be speaking some combination of Persian, Kurdish, Azerbaijan and Arabic right now.

Keep in mind that the Mongols invaded that area around roughly 1250-1300. It took until around the middle of the 20th century for the population to reach the levels it was at before the Mongol invasion.

Food for thought.

Mar 15, 2013 -- 11:50AM, Eonblueapocalypse1 wrote:

Food for thought.

I was thinking bigger picture- Man has fought with itself (with record to prove it) since there was stake in the Tigris, Euphrates and Indus Rivers. And the conflict which has existed and evolved through every permutation of mankind, The conflict supposedly began when children of Abraham began to divide themselves and claim righteousness- which has repeatedly snowballed throughout recorded history consuming other peoples, entire cultures, nations, religions etc.This sort of phenomena is not the fault of any one group particular, but all parties involved have always believed it to be so. It has in some way left a void in the world where people purge and purge without hesitation or mercy, even though the very books they live by speek highly of such things. It's the part of the world where ideal has torn reality into pieces and through escelating misfortune a constant state of warfare is commonplace.

Understand that I'm not knocking Persia, it's easily one of my favorite societies to look at- but Persia wasn't a giant consuming being. It didn't suddenly make people tolerate one another- Persia simply claimed the land it's own. Also, to be fair if Ghengis Kahn's progeny weren't so misfortunate we'd have much more Mongolian culture to think about other than beef prepared with soy sauce and vegetables.

Mar 17, 2013 -- 12:31PM, Eonblueapocalypse1 wrote:

As much as I am in staunch opposition to the whole Judeao-Christian belief structure, you cant exactly say that it, or the area where it originated from are directly the problem. The same things can be said of just about every major human culture/religion to have existed. Some people would be surprised to find out that there exist such things as fanatical Buddhists and militant Hindus, but they DO in fact exist.

Even here in the U.S. which is supposedly a "free" and "rational" nation, we have citizens who succumb to the same emotions. The people who believe we should just nuke the middle east, or some other such non-sense, without even taking a second to consider that a good portion of those people are innocent and the threat is more perceived than actually existent.

It is an issue we as human beings simply can not avoid. The inherent xenophobia and paranoia in human kind can be directly linked to our evolution. It was a survival instinct that at one point in our history helped us to propagate as a species.

The problem is, we have now come to a point where we have evolved past the need for such instincts, and such relics of our ancient past must be discarded, as they have become useless and only serve to hamper our further evolution as a species.

The only question is how to do so. This is a question mankind, both as a whole, and as an individual, still struggles with on an almost daily basis.
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Now you've really confused me. My comment was to prod at the snowballing conflicts in one particularly unfortunate region of the world, not to express xenophobia or misanthropism. I wholly agree that saying we should demolish any civilization is a ridiculous statement, but what's fascinating is that some of the people of that portion of the world do more harm to themselves and their surroundings than any of us in the western world could ever want to do, and it hasn't stopped since siblings started fighting over who owned what they deemed "holy land".

 I think you're reading too far into the subtext of my statements as personal fears or prejudices, while I am thinking more in line of intrigue. It's a pattern, a bouncing ball, and an interesting one because Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Jordan are repeatedly made victim to civil conflict that only escelates to become worse and worse as we (the rest of the world) try to stick our noses into it, and tell them "what we know is right".

As for other militant groups, that's a different discusssion entirely :P