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4 months ago  ::  Mar 12, 2013 - 1:40AM #1
licalier
Date Joined: Jul 11, 2012
Posts: 41
Come one, come all. Let's come up with some ideas for the bane of any Magic player's existence. The mighty COUNTERSPELL!

To start us off, here's an idea.


Aether Deconstruction -
Instant
Counter target spell. That spells controller adds X mana to their mana pool in any combination of colours, where X is equal to the converted mana cost of the countered spell.

Better to risk the lhurgoyf than to die in its maw.

and another!

Spellchaser -
Instant
Only play this spell if a non-creature spell has been resolved this turn.
Counter target spell.

The merfolk soon found out that it was easier to stop the second fairy than the first one. A LOT easier.
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4 months ago  ::  Mar 12, 2013 - 3:03AM #2
Dr_Demento
Date Joined: Jun 28, 2008
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Huh, these are built to be incredibly broken, I am pleasently surprised.

Aether Deconstruction is hardcountery enough that it deserves to have a mana cost of , and even then it is right on the power borderline. It scares me, but Counterspell can't break constructed, just make it really annoying at worst, so I would give this card a shot. What bother me is that it has a strong possiblilty of being used to counter your own spells for mana acceleration (This is possible because of alternate costs, like countering Gush or maybe a Blazing Shoal cast using Progenitus ). So you should probably change it to "Counter target spell you don't control".

Spellchaser is just weird. I don't know what to think about it at all.
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Aug 19, 2010 -- 5:52PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Aug 19, 2010 -- 4:54PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Aug 19, 2010 -- 4:27PM, TranscientMaster wrote:

Aug 19, 2010 -- 3:07PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Riggers , every Rigger in print so far boosts other Riggers .



Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.



Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata

WHAT NOW!

(yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)


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4 months ago  ::  Mar 12, 2013 - 5:52AM #3
Flopfoot
Date Joined: Jul 16, 2007
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Spellchaser is a bit like Second Guess , unless they cast a creature spell as their first spell or if you're using Second Guess on your own turn to counter their counterspell that targets your first spell. On the other hand, this one has no problem countering the third, fourth etc. spell of the turn.

If you're worried about Aether Deconstruction being too powerful you could always cost it at 2u - Vex is a precedent of a hard counter with a drawback at that cost. 
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4 months ago  ::  Mar 12, 2013 - 5:59AM #4
Mown
Date Joined: Apr 28, 2008
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Mar 12, 2013 -- 5:52AM, Flopfoot wrote:

Spellchaser is a bit like Second Guess , unless they cast a creature spell as their first spell or if you're using Second Guess on your own turn to counter their counterspell that targets your first spell. On the other hand, this one has no problem countering the third, fourth etc. spell of the turn.



Spellchaser has a pretty huge upside in that you can respond with a cantrip to counter their spell.

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4 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2013 - 12:48AM #5
licalier
Date Joined: Jul 11, 2012
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Mar 12, 2013 -- 3:03AM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Huh, these are built to be incredibly broken, I am pleasently surprised.

Aether Deconstruction is hardcountery enough that it deserves to have a mana cost of , and even then it is right on the power borderline. It scares me, but Counterspell can't break constructed, just make it really annoying at worst, so I would give this card a shot. What bother me is that it has a strong possiblilty of being used to counter your own spells for mana acceleration (This is possible because of alternate costs, like countering Gush or maybe a Blazing Shoal cast using Progenitus ). So you should probably change it to "Counter target spell you don't control".

Spellchaser is just weird. I don't know what to think about it at all.




Blazing Shoal's converted mana cost is , as X is always counted as 0, regardless of how much mana has been put into the spell. The reason I costed it at was that it provides the opponent with mana to cast another spell, and the ability to mana fix themselves. Admittedly, it has been a while since I played type 1 (which should give you an idea how long it's been) so this card might be broken in the current environment. Guess it could be costed to though since Wizard's seems not to like splashable counters any more. Moving it to though I think would kill the card, making it playable only as a combo piece or as a later pick in limited.

Spellchaser is just weird. I don't know what to think about it at all.




Spellchaser is a bit like Second Guess , unless they cast a creature spell as their first spell or if you're using Second Guess on your own turn to counter their counterspell that targets your first spell. On the other hand, this one has no problem countering the third, fourth etc. spell of the turn.




Spellchaser was just meant to be a slightly off colour counter with a weird condition on it as a penalty for being off colour but costed at cmc.

Spellchaser has a pretty huge upside in that you can respond with a cantrip to counter their spell.




This and spot removal like path and swords was what I had in mind.


Now then, what about this one?

Violent Rebuttal -
Instant
Counter target non-creature spell. If the spell was an instant or a sorcery, you may pay 1 life to deal 2 damage to that spell's controller.

Typical of a goblin mage, Klink took the phrase 'use your head' a little too literally.

Or this one?

Switching Stones -
Instant
Refraction - Blue (This card counts as a blue card at all times)
As an additional cost to play this spell, sacrifice a land.
Counter target spell. If that spell was a non-creature spell, that spell's controller may play a copy of that spell or deal 5 damage to you. If the spell was a creature spell, that spell's controller puts into play a token that is a copy of the countered creature spell.

When the land gets fickle, nothing is stable.

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3 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2013 - 1:11AM #6
Dr_Demento
Date Joined: Jun 28, 2008
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Nope, X spells CMC is equal to how much you payed for them on the stack, everywhere else, X is treated as 0, but on the stack thier CMC is adjusted.

Violent Rebuttal is fine, you can probably take out the Pay 1 life condition.

What on earth is Switching Stones actuall supposed to do? 
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Aug 19, 2010 -- 5:52PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Aug 19, 2010 -- 4:54PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Aug 19, 2010 -- 4:27PM, TranscientMaster wrote:

Aug 19, 2010 -- 3:07PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Riggers , every Rigger in print so far boosts other Riggers .



Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.



Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata

WHAT NOW!

(yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)


Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!


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3 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2013 - 1:32AM #7
SimonGlume
Date Joined: Feb 3, 2012
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Time Flux (blue)
Instant
You may only cast ~ if you control an Island.
Counter target spell. That spell's controller takes an extra turn after this one. Skip your next turn.

Fixed.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2013 - 1:35AM #8
an_endless_epidemic
Date Joined: May 18, 2010
Posts: 1,680
Here's one.

Reverse to Nature

Instant

Counter target creature spell. If that creature had power 2 or less, you may search your library for a basic land, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Shuffle your library afterwards. 
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2013 - 1:36AM #9
an_endless_epidemic
Date Joined: May 18, 2010
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I'm gonna laugh when this turns out to be hella strong
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2013 - 1:38AM #10
squinty_eyes
Date Joined: Oct 14, 2006
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Umm, no?  SimonGlume, couldn't that read the same as:

Time Flux -
Instant
Discard a blue card with converted mana cost of 1 or less.
Take an extra turn after this one.

Just sayin', I'd just counter my own Ponder , Preordain Brainstorm , or just about any blue CMC 1 (115 cards).

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