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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:16PM
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Since each booster pack comes with the disclaimer «No guaranty is made about the rarity of the cards contained therein», there exists no such thing as an unconventional distribution.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:21PM
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I feel like the part you removed from the rule is important:
7.4 Abnormal Product
Neither Wizards of the Coast nor the Tournament Organizer guarantee any specific distribution of card rarities or frequency in a particular booster pack or tournament pack. If a player receives an unconventional distribution of rarities or frequencies in a particular booster pack or deck, he or she must call a judge. The final decision to replace or allow the atypical product is at the discretion of the Head Judge and the Tournament Organizer.
That first sentence seems to be saying "don't count on getting one rare per pack," and also, at least in my interpretation, leans the rule towards allowing the abnormal pack to be used. Of course, most players know that there's a single rare in each booster, so it's something that you should point out. At the very least (if your luck extends just a bit further so that all the rares you saw were playable!), it'd raise eyebrows if you have too many rares in your deck, so it'd be nice to have the TO on your side. Does anyone know of this ever occurring in a higher level event? I've never personally opened an "abnormal" pack, let alone done so in a sealed.
Due to the extreme incentive to lie and keep this to yourself, I'd say that they at least have to let you keep the cards that you opened, even if you aren't allowed to play with those cards and they lend you another pack to play with in the event. But you ought to ask your TO before the next event if you're concerned.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:22PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 30, 2011
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There are legal problems (related to gambling laws) with guaranteeing rarity distribution and therefore defining it in the MTR. We all know what the normal distribution is (1 Rare, 3 Uncommons, and either 10 commons or 9 commons and a foil card of any rarity). Any player who has opened packs will recognized an abnormality.
A rule without a specific infraction is NOT simply a suggestion you can ignore freely. If you knowingly ignore a rule with the intent to gain advantage, that's fully covered by UC - Cheating, and you get disqualified.
If you unknowingly break a rule without a specific infraction, you get educated, and are given a direct instruction to not break that rule again, which can then be followed up with UC - Cheating since we know you are now aware of it. (Other direct instructions about things not covered directly by the policy can be followed up with UC - Major, which carries a Game Loss penalty. Examples are "Don't block that doorway" or "Please don't remove chairs from the play area.")
EDIT: Oh, and the decision about what to do with the pack is totally up to the TO and Judge. As a customer service issue, they may just say "congrats, you get to keep that one and we'll add a different normal pack to the draft." Or they can let it remain in the draft. The main issue is that they want to KNOW about it, so there's no confusion later when your draft has 27 non-foil rares in it!
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:25PM
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Can you clarify? I don't think I said anything contradictory.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:30PM
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A rule without a specific infraction (...) and you get disqualified.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:33PM
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Mar 30, 2011
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A rule without a specific infraction (...) and you get disqualified.
Correct. A rule without a SPECIFIC infraction is still covered by the GENERAL infraction of Cheating. They just won't earn you a penalty for unknowingly breaking them, because it's not covered by a specific infraction.
Rules with SPECIFIC infractions are ALSO covered by the GENERAL infraction of Cheating, but if you break them unknowingly, you will receive the specific infraction instead.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:39PM
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Date Joined:
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Bowshewicz and bimmerbot, i do appreciate your replies. i'm just starting to (try) to learn the tournament rules just recently, and your posts here are helping wrap my head around the general philosophies (and structure) of the tournament rules.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 5:33PM
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In my opinion, its not the player's fault that the pack was packed wrong. Every player at that event had the same chance of getting that pack (theoretically of course).
If I were a judge, I'd let the player keep the pack, and then tell them they can't use the cards in that specific pack at the event, then give them another pack to use (chance of a second pack with bad packing is pretty high).
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 5:38PM
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Mar 30, 2011
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Sure, and that's a reasonable action (one that I mentioned as a possibility). But the question in the OP (which has been edited out) was about "what if I just don't say anything?" and that's what we were answering.  Possible solutions the TO might consider: 1. Let the player keep the pack, use a new one for the draft. 2. Leave that pack in the draft. 3. TO keeps the pack, uses a new one in the draft (probably worst from customer viewpoint, but perfectly OK with the rules). 4. Can't think of anything else, but there might be some other solution... (maybe let the player keep just the card he would have first picked, TO keeps the rest of the pack before replacing that pack in the draft?)
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 6:17PM
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I think most judges would allow you to keep the pack, but they would replace it with another pack for the tournament. This is the only answer that incentivizes the player to report the problem.
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