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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 11:55AM
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in the Limited Tournament Rules section of the MTR, it says:
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7.4 Abnormal Product
[....] If a player receives an unconventional distribution of rarities or frequencies in a particular booster pack or deck, he or she must call a judge. The final decision to replace or allow the atypical product is at the discretion of the Head Judge and the Tournament Organizer.
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if a player opens up a pack with four rares, one of which is a super-expensive foil mythic rare, and really does not wish to call a judge (assuming they even know about this tournament rule!), but then a judge finds out about this soon after, has any infraction been committed? and what would the Head Judge or Tournament Organizer do in this case?
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:01PM
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pick the mythic rare and quit the event  if it was sealed instead of draft just take all the cards and quit the event
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:01PM
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Well, obviously an infraction has taken place, as a rule has been ignored.
What the penalty would be depends entirely upon the judge in question and the Rules Enforcement Level (REL) of the event. For most FNMs or similar, I do not think you'd get anything worse than a warning. At higher level events, a judge might see fit to hit you with a disqualification worthy infraction. It really depends upon the judge's discretion. I haven't looked over the tournament rules in a while, so I'm not sure what precise infractions could be given.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:06PM
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Jul 15, 2011
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pick the mythic rare and quit the event
if it was sealed instead of draft just take all the cards and quit the event
lol, are you considered the legal owner of that card even when committing an infraction in this way? this answer sounds very .. questionable! 
i'm imagining a funny [?] situation where i take the mythic rare, and the judge just so happens to be behind my back, and the judge says "hold on! you should have reported that pack to me! i'm issuing an infraction to you! and give me back that mythic rare, too!" and then i say "haha! in response to your issuing me an infraction, i quit the event! it's too late, i'm the legal owner of the card now!", or something :D
@Escef: i wonder what the infraction you committed really is? the IPG (Infraction Procedure Guide) Reference Chart doesn't .. seem to have any Infraction that .. would apply to this case?
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:08PM
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Mar 30, 2011
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Unsporting Conduct - Cheating happens when a player breaks a rule (either in the Comp Rules or Policy documents) (a) knowingly and (b) in an attempt to gain an advantage. This comes dangerously close, though if the only "advantage" was financial, I could this not completely fitting.
Unsporting Conduct - Theft of Tournament Materials is another possibility if you knew about the rule and didn't call a judge. If you're aware that the pack might be removed from the draft and wish to gain financially by just staying silent and taking the foil card, you are probably crossing into this infraction.
If you just didn't know about the rule, and decided to take the foil Mythic, you haven't committed a particular infraction (there's no generic catch-all infraction for unspecified Tournament Errors like there is for Game Rule Violations). You will be educated, and the TO/Judge will decide how to handle the abnormal product.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:12PM
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I thought that a rule without a described penalty is a rule that players can ignore freely, since nothing happens to them if they break it...?
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:13PM
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I thought that a rule without a described penalty is a rule that players can ignore freely, since nothing happens to them if they break it...?
~ Tim
Correct. A «rule» without penalty should be renamed «suggestion».
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:13PM
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What consititutes an "Unconventional Distribution" a Mythic Rare and a Mythic Rare Foil? A Rare and a Rare foil? 4 Uncommons? 16 commons?
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:14PM
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bimmberbot, thanks for your response; it's informative.
though i feel it's .. really quite unfair, and a real shame, to have to give back the product. the feeling is "well, i DID open it! stupid rule. i wish i never studied the tournament rules and could claim ignorance of it!". i honestly would find it hard to blame a person in this situation for disobeying the rule, and i wonder if judges would also find it hard to blame the person, too!
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3 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 12:15PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 21, 2006
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What consititutes an "Unconventional Distribution" a Mythic Rare and a Mythic Rare Foil? A Rare and a Rare foil? 4 Uncommons? 16 commons?
Since each booster pack comes with the disclaimer «No guaranty is made about the rarity of the cards contained therein», there exists no such thing as an unconventional distribution.
As is so often the case, this tournament rule is entirely subjective.
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