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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 1:45PM
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If a face down permanent is exiled, does it turn face up after it goes to the exile zone or before? Which rule in the Comprehensive Rules demonstrates this fact? (Note: I know the exiled card is not turned up on the battlefield itself, to help stave off any confusion.)
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 1:49PM
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Jan 19, 2003
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If a face down permanent is exiled, does it turn face up after it goes to the exile zone or before?
Neither, really. The card in the exile zone is unrelated to the one on the battlefield, so one moment we have a face down card on the battlefield, and the next moment we are surprised to find a brand new unrelated card in the exile zone that is face up. At no point is the permanent face up, and at no point is the exiled card face down.
400.7. An object that moves from one zone to another becomes a new object with no memory of, or relation to, its previous existence. There are seven exceptions to this rule:
If you're asking about when you have to reveal the card to prove you weren't cheating, that happens "as" you move it. Note that it's just revealed, not actually turned face up.
707.9. If a face-down permanent moves from the battlefield to any other zone, its owner must reveal it to all players as he or she moves it. If a face-down spell moves from the stack to any zone other than the battlefield, its owner must reveal it to all players as he or she moves it. At the end of each game, all face-down permanents and spells must be revealed to all players.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 1:49PM
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Mar 30, 2011
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It is turned face up as it is exiled, but isn't considered to have "turned face up" for the purposes of triggered abilities. I'll search for a CR reference. 707.9. If a face-down permanent moves from the battlefield to any other zone, its owner must reveal it to all players as he or she moves it. If a face-down spell moves from the stack to any zone other than the battlefield, its owner must reveal it to all players as he or she moves it. At the end of each game, all face-down permanents and spells must be revealed to all players.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 1:56PM
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I should have been more clear and said that I meant the physical card itslef rather than the permanent it represents. My fault. Either way, it looks like rule 707.9 gives me what I want.
I thank you both very much.
Xweetoks = Happiness Proud member of the Pony Co. Xweetoks, MTG, and ponies. Life is good.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 8:01AM
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Jun 21, 2006
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It is turned face up as it is exiled, but isn't considered to have "turned face up" for the purposes of triggered abilities.
I'll search for a CR reference.
From LEGIONS FAQ:
«Morph triggers don't trigger when the card is looked at or leaves play.»
You won't find it in the CR, because the CR tells us what does happen, and (mostly) doesn't bother telling what doesn't happen.
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
Sounds familiar?
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4 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 10:54AM
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Given what's said here, if you bounce  or tuck  a morphed permanent, it must be revealed before it is returned to its owner's hand or put into its owner's library?
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4 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 10:56AM
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Jun 21, 2006
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Yes. Otherwise, how would the opponent know it was really a creature with MORPH? Magic has its share of cheaters, ya know!
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
Sounds familiar?
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4 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 10:57AM
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Given what's said here, if you bounce or tuck a morphed permanent, it must be revealed before it is returned to its owner's hand or put into its owner's library?
yes, when a facedown card leaves the battlefield it has to be revealed
it's there to stop cheating
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4 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 10:57AM
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Mar 12, 2011
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Yes, whenever the face down permanent would leave the battlefield. The rule exists to ensure, that you're not cheating (by having cast a card face down despite it not having morph or anything else allowing you to do so).
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4 months ago ::
Mar 07, 2013 - 10:58AM
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Mar 18, 2012
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Oh, right. Forgot about that whole cheating thing.
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