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4 months ago  ::  Mar 06, 2013 - 10:46AM #11
Astarael7
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Mar 6, 2013 -- 10:42AM, Random_Kid wrote:

"This ability may target creatures with hexproof or shroud"


Doesn't work.

101.2 When a rule or effect allows or directs something to happen, and another effect states that it can’t happen, the “can’t” effect takes precedence.



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4 months ago  ::  Mar 06, 2013 - 10:47AM #12
Random_Kid
Date Joined: Aug 6, 2006
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Mar 6, 2013 -- 10:44AM, will_dice wrote:

Mar 6, 2013 -- 10:42AM, Random_Kid wrote:

"This ability may target creatures with hexproof or shroud"




Worst settence ever.


Also, you forgot Protection.




Just go "choose" instead of "target". "Choose an attacking or blocking creature, or a creature that activated an ability this turn..."



  
Sorry. Trying to improvise here 

...or I could be completely wrong. Who really knows?

Jan 10, 2013 -- 8:21PM, Catotheyounger wrote:

Back when I was in high school, I used to write little quotes on the whiteboard of my chemistry class, little, funny things that I'd made up and attributed to an anonymous author.  Just tiny things I found amusing.  Some time near the end of the year, a substitute teacher game in, read it, and told us a quote she had heard from a 13 year old girl.  I don't remember what it was, but the quote sounded deep and philosophical.  Then I actually thought about it.  I realized that the quote was actually meaningless, but simply couched in the language of philosophy and depth.  And that's what your post is.  It is meaningless bull**** that you said in such a way as to make it seem sophisticated.  But just as a lab coat doesn't make you a scientist, language won't make you a philosopher.  Only love of wisdom will.  And until then, you will always remind me of a nameless 13 year old.



   
   
   

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4 months ago  ::  Mar 06, 2013 - 10:51AM #13
Ichibann
Date Joined: Sep 4, 2010
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Use "can be target as though" like in Glaring Spotlight .
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4 months ago  ::  Mar 06, 2013 - 10:59AM #14
Matt_Holck
Date Joined: Nov 15, 2012
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"can be targeted as though" is way too many words

> 101.2 When a rule or effect allows or directs something to happen, and another effect states that it can’t happen, the “can’t” effect takes precedence.

oh
no matter then it won't effect shroud

Whenever a creature attacks,
blocks, or activates an ability:
  You may : exile target creature.
If a creature activates an ability
or a spell targets another creature;
 the exile target is changed to
 that creature instead.
"~shoot anything that moves"
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4 months ago  ::  Mar 06, 2013 - 11:03AM #15
Ichibann
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I do not understand your card's text.
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4 months ago  ::  Mar 06, 2013 - 11:08AM #16
Matt_Holck
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try again

flying
:Whenever a creature attacks, blocks,
or activates an ability: exile target creature.
Shroud and hexproof creatures may be targeted
as through they did not have that ability for this.
Whenever a creature activates an ability or becomes
the target of a spell in response to the exile; exile
 the last creature to respond or be targeted instead.
    "~shoot anything that moves"

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4 months ago  ::  Mar 06, 2013 - 11:16AM #17
Random_Kid
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I tried running that through the stack in my head and hurt myself. I'm afraid to say stupid things, but I'm sure there's a way to clean that up.
...or I could be completely wrong. Who really knows?

Jan 10, 2013 -- 8:21PM, Catotheyounger wrote:

Back when I was in high school, I used to write little quotes on the whiteboard of my chemistry class, little, funny things that I'd made up and attributed to an anonymous author.  Just tiny things I found amusing.  Some time near the end of the year, a substitute teacher game in, read it, and told us a quote she had heard from a 13 year old girl.  I don't remember what it was, but the quote sounded deep and philosophical.  Then I actually thought about it.  I realized that the quote was actually meaningless, but simply couched in the language of philosophy and depth.  And that's what your post is.  It is meaningless bull**** that you said in such a way as to make it seem sophisticated.  But just as a lab coat doesn't make you a scientist, language won't make you a philosopher.  Only love of wisdom will.  And until then, you will always remind me of a nameless 13 year old.



   
   
   

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4 months ago  ::  Mar 06, 2013 - 11:19AM #18
Bowshewicz
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The next time a creature would attack or block, exile that creature instead.

Gets around hexproof, protection, etc, and fits in with your original intent.

Abilities are a little trickier. You have to say something like:
The next time a player would activate an ability, if the source of that ability is a creature, exile that creature instead.
It's messy and can probably be left off, so long as it doesn't hurt the intent too much.
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4 months ago  ::  Mar 06, 2013 - 11:28AM #19
Ichibann
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The next time a player would activate an ability, if the source of that ability is a creature, exile that creature instead.

Why not this? The next time a player activates an ability of a creature, exile that creature.

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4 months ago  ::  Mar 06, 2013 - 11:30AM #20
Bowshewicz
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Adding "this turn" onto the ability will fix any memory issues associated with the ability. I'd recommend doing so, but I left it off since the original ability did not include it.

It can be worded concisely if we use a replacement effect to change "attacks" into "is exiled." The ability thing is still kind of messy, but it won't exile itself -- it doesn't start looking for an ability to be activated until the Angel's ability resolves. I'd keep it as a separate ability if it was absolutely needed to get the right effect, but I'd rather leave it off entirely.

@Above: That wording is much better
It does need to be slightly tweaked so that it fits the template for either a replacement effect or an activated ability. It occurs to me now that a replacement has the side effect of preventing the attack/block/ability entirely, which is a huge functional difference from the original. I'm going to see if I can word it as a triggered ability, hang on.

Edit: I dunno, it's really tricky! Anyone have any idea how to make sure the next attack/block/ability (and ONLY that) triggers the angel?
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