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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 9:25AM
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If I have 2 creatures with Extort out and my opponent has a plainswalker and I play a spell and then trigger both Extort triggers, does the plainswalker also lose a loyalty counter since Extort reads (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay b/w. If you do, EACH opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.) If a plainswalker would lose a counter I should gain 2 life for each Extort trigger correct?
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 9:27AM
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Planeswalkers are not players! Only players have life and only players can lose life. BTW, planeswalkers  , not plainswalkers  .
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 9:28AM
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Jul 28, 2010
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lifeloss cannot be redirected to Planeswalkers
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 9:47AM
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Jan 26, 2009
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lifeloss cannot be redirected to Planeswalkers
If that is the case then why would Volcanic Fallout (volcanic fallout can't be countered. Volcanic Fallout deal 2 damage to each creature and each player) deal damage to a planeswalker??? Was a ruleing from a judge in a tournement I was in during Shards block. has this been changed or was the judge wrong?
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 9:53AM
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Jul 28, 2010
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because it is damage, and not lifeloss
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 9:59AM
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More specifically: 306.7. If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that
opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead.
This is a redirection effect (see rule 614.9) and is subject to the normal rules for ordering
replacement effects (see rule 616). The opponent chooses whether to redirect the damage as the
redirection effect is applied.
The above rule is why the 2 damage to an opponent from Volcanic Fallout  can be redirected to a planeswalker that opponent controls. It's certainly not because planeswalkers are players, because they're not players. At all.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 12:25PM
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Planeswalkers are not players: they have no life. (yes, I know: many Magic players don't have life either...) Planeswalkers are not creatures: they cannot attack nor block. (unless, of course, they have been transformed into creatures...) Planeswalkers are not enchantments: they cannot be naturalized  . (unless, of course, they have been transformed into enchantments...) Planeswalkers are not artifacts: they cannot be naturalized . (unless, of course, they have been transformed into artifacts...) Planeswalkers are not lands: they don't produce mana. (yes, I know: some planeswalkers do produce mana and some lands don't...) Planeswalkers are not sorceries nor instants: they resolve on the Battlefield, not in the Graveyard. (unless they get countered, of course) Planeswalkers are...planeswalkers! which is nothing more than some card type: 205.2a The card types are artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, land, phenomenon, plane, planeswalker, scheme, sorcery, tribal, and vanguard.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 1:18PM
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Planeswalkers are not sorceries nor instants: they resolve on the Battlefield, not in the Graveyard.
(unless they get countered, of course)
Don't spells resolve on the Stack?
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 1:26PM
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I think he meant they resolve to the battlefield.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 06, 2013 - 1:27PM
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Mar 30, 2011
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Planeswalkers are not sorceries nor instants: they resolve on the Battlefield, not in the Graveyard.
(unless they get countered, of course)
Don't spells resolve on the Stack?
Well, it's kind of both. They start to resolve on the stack, and the process includes becoming a permanent on the battlefield.
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