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3 months ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:20PM #1
larrybee
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2013
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Forgive me for being stupid here, but is the term "whenever {said creature} deals damage to an opponent, {carry out stated ability}" the same as "whenever {said creature} deals damage to a player, {carry out stated ability}" ??

It sounds the same to me, but I'm not sure, so I thought I would ask. Just I have a few cards that say this. Can this be clarified and cleared up for me please? 
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:30PM #2
Shard_Fenix
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No, because not all players are opponents (namely, you are not an opponent of yourself).
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:31PM #3
Enigma256
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generally yes

if there are replacement effects that redirect the damage back to you for example there would be a difference
"player" would trigger, "opponent" would not
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:31PM #4
Random_Kid
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I'm not sure what the question is here. The situations you mention seem similar. Can you ask the question again using an actual in game scenario? That may get you an answer more like what you are looking for.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:32PM #5
thatmarkguy
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In some team variants there are also players who are not you opponents (because they are your teammates).

If you enchant a Crypt Rats with Curiosity , when you pop it, you draw cards for having hurt your opponents, but not yourself or your teammates.  If Curiosity said "player" rather than "opponent", you would draw more cards.
 
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:33PM #6
rees263
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Mar 4, 2013 -- 4:20PM, larrybee wrote:

Forgive me for being stupid here, but is the term "whenever {said creature} deals damage to an opponent, {carry out stated ability}" the same as "whenever {said creature} deals damage to a player, {carry out stated ability}" ??

It sounds the same to me, but I'm not sure, so I thought I would ask. Just I have a few cards that say this. Can this be clarified and cleared up for me please? 


It is a relevant distinction in any format with teams, where you have other players who are not your opponents.

It is also possible that {said creature} will cause damage to it's controller, which will cause the second example ability to trigger, but not the first.

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3 months ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:37PM #7
larrybee
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Well, I'm trying to build a new deck, and I want to put Whirling Dervish into it. However, I want to know if dealing the damage to an opponent would mean to the player in question (being the player that is blocking), or to any of the creatures he/she would block with?
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:40PM #8
thatmarkguy
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All opponents are players.  (Not all players are opponents).  Creatures are none of the above.  Dealing damage to a creature does nothing special to Whirling Dervish - it does not cause it to gain a counter.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:43PM #9
larrybee
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Okay, that's basically what I wanted to know, but because I've seen both of the two phrases on different cards, like Curiosity or Lava Axe , I wasn't sure. It has to deal damage to a player in order for the counters to increment.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:49PM #10
Enigma256
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all opponents are players
but not all players are opponents
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