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3 months ago  ::  Mar 01, 2013 - 1:20PM #11
MRHblue
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No, multiple triggered abilities are put on the stack active player - non-acivte player (APNAP) order. If a player is putting on more than one they decie the order theirs go on.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 01, 2013 - 1:21PM #12
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Mar 1, 2013 -- 1:18PM, eagleschrisr wrote:

is this the same ruling for multiple triggered abilities.


Nope. Triggered abilities function completely differently.

When multiple triggered abilities are waiting to be put on the stack, the active player (the one whose turn it is) puts all of the ones he or she controls on the stack first in any order, and then each other player in turn order does the same. The stack resolves from the top down, so the other player's triggers will resolve first no matter what.

Mar 1, 2013 -- 1:18PM, eagleschrisr wrote:

Let's say I control 1 Necrogen Mists and 1 Wheel of Torture and it is my opponents upkeep. He has 3 cards in his hand at the beginning of his turn. Is it up to him what happens or up to me.


Since you control both triggers, it's up to you. You can put the abilities on the stack in either order.

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3 months ago  ::  Mar 01, 2013 - 1:27PM #13
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If there are multiple replacement effects trying to replace an event, the affected player or controller of the affected object chooses one to apply. Then you check for more applicable replecement effects and choose the next one to apply, and so on, until none is applicable to the modified event anymore. Then the modified event happens.


A) If you choose Tommorow to apply first, only its effect happens as the other replacement effects can no longer apply and no card is put into your graveyard so the Ascension doesn't trigger either.


B) If you choose to apply Weirding first, then every other player gets to make the choice of paying 2 life. If any player does, the card is put into your graveyard and the Ascension triggers. Then no other replacement effect is applicable.

If no player chooses to pay life, you choose either Crypt's or Tomorrow's effect to apply to the card draw that results in Weirding not being paid. If you choose Tomorrow's effect, the Crypt's effect doesn't apply anymore. You do as Tomorrow instructs, nothing else happens. If you choose the Crypt, Tomorrow's effect is still aplicable to the card draw modified by it, so you apply it, which results in you not drawing a card so you don't reveal anything and the rest of the Crypt's effect is ignored.

So choosing Weirding first and no one paying for it, you end up putting a card from among the top three of your library into your hand and the other two on the bottom of your library.


C) If you choose to apply the Crypt first, the modified event still has you draw a card, so you choose the next effect to apply (Weirding or Tomorrow). If you choose Tomorrow next, its effect is all that happens (see B) as Weiring won't be applicable anymore. If you choose Weirding, and a player pays for it, the card is put into the graveyard and Ascension triggers. If no player pays for Weirding, you would still draw a card so Tomorrow's effect as the only one not having been applied yet is applied, and you again end up only with its effect.

(I sure hope I didn't make any mistakes here)
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 01, 2013 - 1:34PM #14
eagleschrisr
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Ok to sum it up multiple triggered abilities are put on the stack in an order chosen by their controller and multiple replacement affect are put on the stack in an order chosen by the affected player. Of course not forgetting APNAP order. Thanks for the help.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 01, 2013 - 1:36PM #15
rezzahan
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Replacement effects are not put on the stack, they simply replace the event they are looking for.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 01, 2013 - 1:36PM #16
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APNAP does not apply to replacement effects
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 01, 2013 - 2:16PM #17
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Mar 1, 2013 -- 1:36PM, Enigma256 wrote:

APNAP does not apply to replacement effects


au contraire

616.1. If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object’s controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).


ok, not in an important fashion
eg. two players each put a Clone on the field at the same time

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