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3 months ago  ::  Feb 26, 2013 - 2:37PM #1
FezzHead
Date Joined: Dec 13, 2011
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Would the rules have any problem with a theoretical card that allowed you to play cards from the battlefield? This situation can come up in silver-bordered games, but could it work in regular Magic?
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 26, 2013 - 2:53PM #2
cyphern
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I don't see a problem with it from a technical standpoint. It's weird and probably not particulaly intuitive, but it should be doable.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 26, 2013 - 3:32PM #3
Astarael7
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Do I Obsolete Grizzly Bears ?
Creature -- Bear
You may cast THIS CREATURE from the battlefield.
2/2

I'm sorry. Being able to see it only makes it look more dumb to me.  
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 26, 2013 - 4:21PM #4
KyCygni
Date Joined: Dec 29, 2010
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Feb 26, 2013 -- 3:32PM, Astarael7 wrote:

Do I Obsolete Grizzly Bears ?
Creature -- Bear
You may cast THIS CREATURE from the battlefield.
2/2

I'm sorry. Being able to see it only makes it look more dumb to me.  




Give it flash. Now you have something.

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 26, 2013 - 4:27PM #5
puzzledmint
Date Joined: Jul 18, 2012
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Unintuitive though it may be, it has some interesting potential if you pair it with something that cares about spells being cast.

Recurring Racketeer
Creature -- Human Rogue
You may cast CARDNAME from the battlefield.
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay . If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
2/2
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 26, 2013 - 8:12PM #6
Shiny_Umbreon
Date Joined: Jun 10, 2009
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Feb 26, 2013 -- 4:27PM, puzzledmint wrote:

Unintuitive though it may be, it has some interesting potential if you pair it with something that cares about spells being cast.

Recurring Racketeer
Creature -- Human Rogue
You may cast CARDNAME from the battlefield.
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay . If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
2/2



Except extort only triggers on the battlefield...

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 27, 2013 - 6:23AM #7
puzzledmint
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But the creature was on the battlefield when it was cast.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 27, 2013 - 6:49AM #8
SadisticMystic
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At the time "when cast" needs to trigger, the casting is completed and the card is on the stack. It can't trigger from there.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 27, 2013 - 7:12AM #9
will_dice
Date Joined: Oct 18, 2009
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Feb 27, 2013 -- 6:23AM, puzzledmint wrote:

But the creature was on the battlefield when it was cast.


No, it wasn't.



How to cast a spell:


1) Move it from its old zone (normally from hand; here, it's from the battlefield) to the stack.
2) Choose modes, additional costs like kicker, and so on
3) Choose targets, if any
4) Calculate the total cost
5) Activate mana abilities
6) Pay the cost
7) The spell is considered cast. Check to see if anything triggers.



Your "Recurring Racketeer" leaves the battlefield at (1). Extort can only trigger at (7).

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 28, 2013 - 8:35AM #10
alextfish
Date Joined: Mar 16, 2004
Posts: 1,466
It works fine. It's very odd, but there's nothing wrong with it from a technical point of view.

SadisticMystic created Proving Ground a while ago, and the discussion over there explores some implications of the ability. Ornithopter or Memnite do enable a variety of infinite effects a bit too easily if you make it granted to all creatures you control, but as an effect on a single creature, it's probably fine in the same way Misthollow Griffin is. 

Definitely best with flash, indeed. At that point it works pretty similarly to Flickering Spirit

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