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3 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2013 - 4:39PM #1
kojixito
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I friend told me alot of people are using this combo now and i'm curious if it works. 2 boros reckoner and use Blasphemous Act would you deal 26 damage to a player or 6? I'm woundering this because if I recall correctly lifelink you only gain life equal to damage done so a 3 power with lifelink hits a 1 toughness you only gain 1 life from the lifelink.....please correct me if i'm wrong about that
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2013 - 4:42PM #2
Kenjiblade
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Creatures don't pull their punches, and neither does Blasphemous Act .

Just as a creature with lifelink will deal damage equal to its power even to a 1 toughness creature -- Blasphemous Act will deal its full 13 damage to creatures that have less than that, as nothing in the rules prevents a creature from having damage on it greater than its toughness.

So, with 2 Boros Reckoner under your control when Blasphemous Act resolves, you'll get 2 Reckoner triggers, for 13 damage each.  Of course, they only go on the stack after your Reckoners have died and gone to the graveyard, but that doesn't stop the abilities from resolving successfully at all.

Also, one of the Gatherer rulings for Boros Reckoner essentially answers this for you:

Boros Reckoner’s first ability will trigger even if it is dealt lethal damage. For example, if it blocks a 7/7 creature, its ability will trigger and Boros Reckoner will deal 7 damage to the target creature or player.




That ruling implies (correctly) that the Reckoner can and will take damage in amounts higher than its toughness of 3. 

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2013 - 4:43PM #3
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Feb 25, 2013 -- 4:39PM, kojixito wrote:

2 boros reckoner and use Blasphemous Act would you deal 26 damage to a player or 6?


26

I'm woundering this because if I recall correctly lifelink you only gain life equal to damage done so a 3 power with lifelink hits a 1 toughness you only gain 1 life from the lifelink.....please correct me if i'm wrong about that


You will gain 3 life.

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2013 - 4:44PM #4
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Feb 25, 2013 -- 4:39PM, kojixito wrote:

I'm woundering this because if I recall correctly lifelink you only gain life equal to damage done so a 3 power with lifelink hits a 1 toughness you only gain 1 life from the lifelink.....please correct me if i'm wrong about that



Yes, you are wrong. A creature with power 3 deals 3 combat damage, so if it has Lifelink then it's controller gains 3 life. It doesnt matter what the other creature's toughness is.

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Jan 5, 2013 -- 9:32PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:20AM, LMTRK wrote:

That makes no sense to me.

If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?

~ Tim   


Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch . YAY COLOR IDENTITY


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Oct 26, 2012 -- 12:24AM, Raeoran wrote:

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Jul 7, 2011 -- 12:36AM, LMTRK wrote:

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I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2013 - 4:53PM #5
Strago_Magus
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What do Blasphemous Act and Boros Reckoner have to do with lifelink and 3-power-vs.-1-toughness?
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2013 - 5:14PM #6
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Feb 25, 2013 -- 4:53PM, Strago_Magus wrote:

What do Blasphemous Act and Boros Reckoner have to do with lifelink and 3-power-vs.-1-toughness?




they are taking more damage then thier toughness......and thanks for the answer/correction guys 

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2013 - 7:07PM #7
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Feb 25, 2013 -- 5:14PM, kojixito wrote:

Feb 25, 2013 -- 4:53PM, Strago_Magus wrote:

What do Blasphemous Act and Boros Reckoner have to do with lifelink and 3-power-vs.-1-toughness?




they are taking more damage then thier toughness......and thanks for the answer/correction guys 



Neither Blasphemous Act nor Boros Reckoner have lifelink, so that doesn't matter; and there isn't a third creature in your example that has 1 toughness that the Reckoner is dealing damage to.

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 26, 2013 - 4:00AM #8
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Feb 25, 2013 -- 7:07PM, Strago_Magus wrote:

Feb 25, 2013 -- 5:14PM, kojixito wrote:

Feb 25, 2013 -- 4:53PM, Strago_Magus wrote:

What do Blasphemous Act and Boros Reckoner have to do with lifelink and 3-power-vs.-1-toughness?




they are taking more damage then thier toughness......and thanks for the answer/correction guys 



Neither Blasphemous Act nor Boros Reckoner have lifelink, so that doesn't matter; and there isn't a third creature in your example that has 1 toughness that the Reckoner is dealing damage to.



He thought that a 3 power lifelinker only deals 1 damage to a 1 toughness blocker (and that you only gain 1 life, not 3). This then lead him to believe that a 3 toughness Reckoner only takes 3 damage from a Blasphemous Act (and that you only get to reflect 3 damage from the Reckoner, not 13).

Its a perfectly logical conclusion, just based on a faulty premise.

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Jan 5, 2013 -- 9:32PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:20AM, LMTRK wrote:

That makes no sense to me.

If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?

~ Tim   


Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch . YAY COLOR IDENTITY


Oct 26, 2012 -- 9:56PM, zammm wrote:

Oct 26, 2012 -- 12:24AM, Raeoran wrote:

Is algebra really that difficult?

Survey says yes.


Jul 7, 2011 -- 12:59AM, Novacat wrote:

Jul 7, 2011 -- 12:36AM, LMTRK wrote:

You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.


I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.

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