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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 4:11AM
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Date Joined:
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Ok, so at this point in our game, the board's a bit clogged up. Seems like he's playing   ... good stuff? Couldn't really pick out a theme. Had Predator Ooze  with Rancor  , Sigarda, Host of Herons  , Serra Ascendant  and Phytohydra  , and Gideon Jura  . I'm playing  Birthing Pod  / Mimic Vat  , and have 2 Wall of Blossoms  , Birds of Paradise  , Elderscale Wurm  (pretty much only thing keeping me alive against the Ooze), Mimic Vat with Eternal Witness  underneath and 2 Birthing Pod s, as well as Sundial of the Infinite  . Using Sundial to stop the turn early, to prevent a free, easy kill on the Wurm. He's got one card in hand. He draws, plays a land, then Wheel of Fortune  . As usual, seeing a vintage card in casual I grumble. Vintage cards have no place there. Yes, it's the deck's power level as a whole that mostly determine whether or not a deck is fine for a casual meta. But virtually every vintage-only card has a power level that's higher than is required in casual - there are perfectly adequate legacy versions of most, if not all effects. In any case, of course in his new clutch he draws into Wrath of God  , and seeing as I don't have the mana to activate Mimic Vat (assuming I imprint Elderscale onto it), I lose. I would've had no issue had he topdecked Wrath of God . Or Harmonize  . Or Soul's Majesty  . But Wheel of Fortune ... every time a player plays a vintage card in casual, a kitten dies. /endvent
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 6:30AM
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^^ sux
My group sticks to modern And newer for cards.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 7:34AM
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I could understand this attitude if you lost to a Power 9 driven Storm deck on turn 1, but a $10 Wheel of Fortune? How much would you pay for a shockland, or just about any modern Planeswalker? Thragtusk? Cavern of Souls? Would those cards be acceptable in your "casual" game? You're only upset cause you don't own the same cards. No pity from me. Casual MTG is NOT gimp Magic.
/endrant
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 7:52AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 27, 2005
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I must have killed a lot of kittens. I once had a casual deck that was something along the lines of: 2 Mox Emerald  3 Channel  8 Blastoderm  5 Verdant Force  6 Rhox  3 Sol Ring  6 Berserk  4 Llanowar Elves  ... Some Forests... It gets hazy from there. Yes, those numbers are accurate. Fat dudes and fast mana. The deck was a ton of fun, and it didn't just steamroll people. I kinda wish I didnt trade out my second emerald, and instead got more emeralds for this deck. The point is: I played what I wanted with what I had and I didn't make something oppressive. People actually wanted to play against this speeding train wreck.
Level 2 Magic JudgeLite a man a fire, warm him for a day. Light a man on fire, warm him for the rest of his life.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 8:26AM
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Rules are there to keep the game in check. Otherwise just run 30-40 black lotus and 20 or so draw/ storm cards.
Point being you can play anyway you like, sure. I just find agreeing to a format as a casual playgroup to be the only way to keep things in check.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 8:36AM
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^^This
Unless you agree to a format, any card is fair game, and there's little room for complaining. There's even less room if you're playing some random guy you don't know and have never played against. Find other people who are willing, for good reason, to restrict themselves to a certain format.
I would have killed, literally ended someones life, to NOT have Arrogant Bloodlord  riding a giant ant... Good times: Spoiler:
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but where DID the other fork come from?
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Lord_Zed:
I was at my friends house when this happened. He's married and his wife was an excellent baker. She had baked a homemade apple pie the night before.
I was hungry, and my friend convinced me to try those low carb monster drinks. Before this day, I had never triend energy drinks before.
Boy was I in for a treat.
When I tried that first monster, I really enjoyed the flavor, but the taste that it left in my mouth wasn't so good. What was my solution? Drink another!
before I could finish drinking that 2nd monster, I felt it already kicking in(these drinks were not very far apart, we're talking minutes here) my friend decided that it was a good idea to whip out that fresh pie his wife made the night before. I didn't know what to do, since I felt incredibly invigorated, and at the same time, freaked out by the rush I was feeling, but I was also hungry, and my friend have me an entire plate with a fork and said "help yourself." He extended his saucer to me, and I cut him a piece of the pie and handed it to him, then I looked at the pie, noticed that the pie was in an aluminum holder, and dumped the entire pie onto my plate and started eating it with 2 forks. I don't know where I found that other fork, it probably came from my friend. Anyhow, his wife wasn't happy, and I was already in magical christmas land. 2 days later, I was in my friends bed and I slept for 14 hours.
His wife outlawed my from having any of her baked goods for a while(which sucked because I could just show up at there house, steal some sweets, and leave) and said I couldn't have any energy drinks at her house, unless under close watch.
My friend, on the other hand, had to take me out to a steak dinner, because apparently I won a bet where I climbed a tree and didn't die.
The great land debate:
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Zendikar had fetchlands, and Worldwake had manlands. What are the new Scars duals called?
Explosive Peanut Lightning lands. Well, that's just what I call them.
i'm just trying to figure out what the point of saying this is. it's just really random.
And so the pot met the kettle.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 9:11PM
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Date Joined:
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Not to dredge up an old argument but, imo, casual is just non-sanctioned. The groups I play with use the Vintage b/r, and if you choose to use to use something other than the most powerful variant of a card for whatever reason, that's up to you. I fully understand that playgroups differ and the definition of casual varies wildly but, as far as I'm concerned, if you don't lay out limitations that prevent the use of certain cards, you shouldn't take issue with them being used.
And like Sacrifice said, Wheel of Fortune? Really?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 11:21PM
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Date Joined:
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Wheel is only restricted because of the, 20 mountain  32 lightning bolt  (8 playsets of lightning bolt clones) 4 fireblast  4 wheel of fortune  Outside of that degenerate situation it is perfectly well balanced. Our casual group is even more permissive then just stay within the vintage restricted list. We will let you go outside it with prior approval since most of the time the easiest way to let new players compete is just to let them play 4 sol rings or such. Power =/= cost or age. Several turn 2 aggro decks have been in standard RECENTLY, while turn 3 has always been common. Modern bans dark depths  for a reason, it can produce a turn 2 20/20 indestructible creature every card from recent sets. ( dark depths , urborg, tomb of yawgmoth  , vampire hexmage  ). People complaining about age are, always really complaining about power level, and frankly those people should just go play standard until they are ready to take the training wheels off.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 25, 2013 - 11:26PM
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Date Joined:
May 18, 2002
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Your only option is "please don't do that".
Either the other guy doesn't do that, or simply goes away to play against someone else. It may appear to be a win-win, but you've chased away potiential play about half of the time.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 26, 2013 - 9:30AM
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Would it have felt any better if he had drawn into a miracle Reforge the Soul  and cast the same effect for 1 less mana? Or even if he had cast a non-miracle one? I understand not wanting to see Legacy cards in casual games, but Wheel of Fortune really wasn't that bad. If you had said Balance  , I would have agreed. But would you have a problem with seeing someone play Fork  instead of Reverberate  ? I can't see holding the age of a card as important if there's not an obvious power level discrepancy.
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