Some players in my local area have been having disagreements about the state of newly acquired token creatures. I just wanted to try and get an opinion on this from outside my area. The issue they are having is whether or not Token Creatures come into play with summoning sickness. One side is saying that they do, because they are creatures. The other side is saying that they don't because they are placed on the field and not summoned/cast.
Some players in my local area have been having disagreements about the state of newly acquired token creatures. I just wanted to try and get an opinion on this from outside my area. The issue they are having is whether or not Token Creatures come into play with summoning sickness. One side is saying that they do, because they are creatures. The other side is saying that they don't because they are placed on the field and not summoned/cast.
Yes they have summoning sickness.
The rule is that when a creature comes under your control, it has summoning sickness. The same rule applies if you steal a creature with control magic or anything that takes control of another persons creature. Unless the card that creates the token (or the card that takes control of a creature from an opponent) actually gives it haste, than it has summoning sickness.
The name summoning sickness often causes this confusion and many years ago you would have found this ruling going back and forth and a variety of house rules to cover such situations. Control magic used to often be played and ignore summoning sickness because you werent actually summoning. Regardless, the rules have been clarified (and have been clear for quite a few years now); summoning simply no longer has anything to do with summoning sickness.
Summoning sickness applies anytime a creature comes under your control, unless it has haste.
The other side is saying that they don't because they are placed on the field and not summoned/cast.
This side is misinformed.
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302.6. A creature’s activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost can’t be activated unless the creature has been under its controller’s control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. A creature can’t attack unless it has been under its controller’s control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the “summoning sickness” rule.
The other side is saying that they don't because they are placed on the field and not summoned/cast.
"Summoning" does not means "cast". In fact, 'summon' is not part of the rules anymore. It has no meaning.
Summoning Sickness applies to a creature if its controller hasn't controlled it continuously since that player's most recent turn - in short, to creatures entering the battlefield or changing controller. It doesn't matter if they were cast as spells from hand, put into the battlefield directly (Elvish Pipper , most tokens), changed controllers (Mind Control ), or even entered as something else and then became a creature the same turn (Gideon Jura can't become a creature and attack in his first turn).
Some players in my local area have been having disagreements about the state of newly acquired token creatures. I just wanted to try and get an opinion on this from outside my area. The issue they are having is whether or not Token Creatures come into play with summoning sickness. One side is saying that they do, because they are creatures. The other side is saying that they don't because they are placed on the field and not summoned/cast.
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
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