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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 8:47AM
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So, I read somewhere that Multiple instances of Hands of Binding  don't stack. I mean, You use it to tap a creature, then attack (dealing combat damage to a player of course) and apply the tap effect once more. Would it not be two turns before the creature untapped? If not, why? How does it differ from Stonehorn Dignitary  's ETB effect stacking? Final question, can you encode the same spell multiple times on the same creature? Let's say Hands of Binding twice on one creature, causing it to tap two creatures if it deals combat damage to a player? Thanks for your time and sorry for any confusion, haven't slept.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 8:54AM
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multiple Hands of Binding won't stack they will untap normally in the next next (I need a better word for this) untap step Stonehorn Dignitary does stack because once a phase is skipped, it can't be skipped again by a different effect but, Hands of Binding doesn't cause skipping of a step, it simply modifies how that next (and only the next) step is handled
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 8:54AM
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The effect doesnt stack because they would both say "doesnt untap during its controllers next untap step"
That next step is still the same next step as it was for the first casting of Hands.
And yes you can encode two copies of the same cipher on a creature for the extra effect.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 8:57AM
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Would it not be two turns before the creature untapped?
no
If not, why?
because both effects apply to the next untap step
How does it differ from Stonehorn Dignitary 's ETB effect stacking?
they say to skip the next phase so the first applies to the next phase (skipping it) and the second can't apply to it anymore so it waits for the next phase
Final question, can you encode the same spell multiple times on the same creature?
not the same spell, but two cards with the same name, yes
Let's say Hands of Binding twice on one creature, causing it to tap two creatures if it deals combat damage to a player?
yes
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 8:59AM
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Would it not be two turns before the creature untapped? If not, why?
Both effects apply to the next untap step. When that next untap step comes around, both effects say "no, you can't untap", and then the effects go away. They are redundant, but they both apply.
How does it differ from Stonehorn Dignitary 's ETB effect stacking?
Stonehorn dignitary's effect causes the combat phase to be skipped in its entirety. Since the first effect causes the phase to not occur, the second effect doesn't realize that phase exists (because it doesn't exist) and can't apply. The second effect will wait until what it perceives is the next phase, and then it applies.
Here's the relevant rule for skipping steps/phases/turns:
614.10a Anything scheduled for a skipped step, phase, or turn won’t happen. Anything scheduled for the “next” occurrence of something waits for the first occurrence that isn’t skipped. If two effects each cause a player to skip his or her next occurrence, that player must skip the next two; one effect will be satisfied in skipping the first occurrence, while the other will remain until another occurrence can be skipped.
Final question, can you encode the same spell multiple times on the same creature? Let's say Hands of Binding twice on one creature, causing it to tap two creatures if it deals combat damage to a player?
Yes, though you'll of course need two Hands of Binding cards.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 5:51PM
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Thanks all for the quick responses =] It makes sense to me now. Just to be clear, skipping phases/steps stacks? Such as Shisato, Whispering Hunter  with double strike perhaps? They'd skip their next two untap steps, then there next 3, 4, etc?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 5:51PM
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correct
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