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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 7:48AM
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Some effects in standard and limited can give a creature first strike at instant speed ( aerial maneuver  and boros reckoner  ). My question is this: is there a window to give first strike after the "first strike" combat phase such that the creature will deal no damage? In limited, this came up when someone attacked me with a 4/4 into arrows of justice  but I strongly suspected he had a 1 or 2 mana trick. If I put him on maneuver, can I wait until after first strike, cast arrows, if he gives his 4/4 first strike it deals no damage? Similar situations can come up in constructed when you are being attacked by boros reckoner , need to block with your own boros reckoner but cant afford to take the life hit.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 7:50AM
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no
in normal strike damage step every creature that hasn't dealt damage that combat will deal damage
it doesn't matter if the creature also has First Strike, if it didn't get to deal damage in the first strike damage step for some reason it will deal damage then
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 7:50AM
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My question is this: is there a window to give first strike after the "first strike" combat phase such that the creature will deal no damage?
You can give first strike to a creature after the first strike damage step, but that won't achieve what you wish: the creature will deal «normal strike» damage anyway.
See rule 510.5 for details.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 7:54AM
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That is a bit disappointing. I suppose the trick works against double strike so they only hit once, but I doubt that would come up very often in standard or limited given the current card pool.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 7:56AM
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If I may... give a creature first strike at instant speed
We don't use the words «instant speed» anymore because it confuses players into believing speed matters. The accepted term is «instant timing» now.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 7:57AM
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That is a bit disappointing. I suppose the trick works against double strike so they only hit once.
No. Even if they get First Strike, they will hit twice if they still have Double Strike. Granting FS does not remove DS.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 7:58AM
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@Chaikov Interesting... had not heard about that. Also with the double strike I meant, if a creature gets double strike after the first strike phase, I would assume it only hits once, or does it hit twice? Say they attack with a 3/3 and then I have arrows but they have wrecking ogre  and bloodrush in response but I wait until after first strike step to cast arrows. Their 3/3 becomes 6/6 and survives, do i take 6 or 12?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 7:58AM
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Also note that if there are no creatures with first strike or double strike, then there is only one combat damage step.
In your original example the window to even attempt this doesn't exist (without other first strikers)
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 8:03AM
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Wow the window doesnt even exist... the rules are more complex in this area then I suspected... so some of these "tricks" are only possible if there is an unrelated creature that has first strike. So... If I try to arrows the 3/3 and he gives double strike (bloodrush wrecking ogre , I take 12 because suddenly there is a first strike step... but if he has another creature with first strike that has already dealt first strike... then... I can arrows and if he bloodrushed ogre on a 3/3 it only deals 6??
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 8:05AM
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no he can simply Bloodrush Wrecking Ogre  before the combat damage step you can still use arrows in response to the Bloodrush to stop him
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